0:00 · Unknown · So, briatic. So, all things are constantly manifesting on four levels. And in Cabala

So, briatic. So, all things are constantly manifesting on four levels. And in Cabala, they call that the four worlds. Um, in philosophy, you're going to see something more like seven bodies or seven planes, possibly more, but it it's kind of a similar uh model for for how spirit projects itself into matter. Um, >> hold on one sec. >> Nice. >> Another fire. I wanted to let it pass. Uh so um so there are obviously there are four worlds and they are in descending hierarchy. Atsilut um the

0:56 · Unknown · archetypal world uh bria the creative world um the formative world and asaiha the the world of making or the world of action

archetypal world uh bria the creative world um the formative world and asaiha the the world of making or the world of action. So, Bria um Lon Milo Duket actually had a really good um had a really good uh sort of analogy for this and it's basically like okay you have um you have the guys let's say okay the idea man in a company they're making a product and I think the pro the thing he used was like chairs or something you have the mind that creates the idea for the chair there that's

1:41 · Unknown · then you go down to Bria and so that's those are the guys who are basically saying that the you know the head guy the boss says okay this is what we're doing we're doing chair figure I it's got to have you know the the main thing here is sit you know off the ground and then the briatic level is kind of like okay so how do we do that that's got to have four you know uh you know four legs, it's got to you know uh be at a certain height

then you go down to Bria and so that's those are the guys who are basically saying that the you know the head guy the boss says okay this is what we're doing we're doing chair figure I it's got to have you know the the main thing here is sit you know off the ground and then the briatic level is kind of like okay so how do we do that that's got to have four you know uh you know four legs, it's got to you know uh be at a certain height. >> Is it kind of related to like the

2:16 · Unknown · structure in some way or kind of it really it's it's just the level of existence in terms of like in terms of how do we get from spirit to matter

structure in some way or >> kind of it really it's it's just the level of existence in terms of like in terms of how do we get from spirit to matter? Okay, so think of like a uh well I'll just I'll I'll continue real quick and finish the analogy. You have then you have yet the guys drawing up the plans for it, the blueprints, you know, the instruction manuals. And then you have Assayiah, which is the actual physical making of a chair. Um, and so, so it's it's kind of that hierarchy of

2:47 · Unknown · how things get made, how they become

how things get made, how they become. It's a hierarchy of becoming, of existence. And so, Bria would be technically um, I believe what you would consider the archangelic realm. Um and uh so a briatic manifestation is something that is um I want to say an individuated essence uh that is non-physical and has a specific kind of um simplified or rarified set of actions or potentialities. Uh, so it makes sense that they would say in like a in like a passive manifestation in Bria because you know

3:35 · Unknown · the the four worlds correspond to the four letters of the tetra grammaton

the the four worlds correspond to the four letters of the tetra grammaton. Yod vave, right? Yod masculine, hey feminine, vow uh masculine, hey final or hey sopit feminine. Um, and so looking at the even the four elements or the four carobam, you can get a sense of what that what that means. You know, you you've got the fire of the divine intellect. You have sort of that re that the receptivity of the waters that receives the information, right? It's like those guys on the on the bria floor

4:12 · Unknown · were receiving the command from the the head guy

were receiving the command from the the head guy. So it's like the divine mind has the idea and commands it forth and what receives that command is the briatic level. So um that's that's kind of what that looks like. That's a pretty convoluted way of describing it, but I think I gave you enough in there to be able to interpret something. >> That makes sense. Okay. So um I came across something called Baretil. Uh, it says the guardian of the 12th tunnel of set and then it goes on to

4:49 · Unknown · talk says other stuff but I was just mostly curious or it says actually the guardian of the yeah guardian of the 12th tunnel of set

talk says other stuff but I was just mostly curious or it says actually the guardian of the yeah guardian of the 12th tunnel of set. I was just curious about tunnels and kind of what that is or what that means like how many different tunnels are there? What are tunnels? Yeah. Like any of that stuff. So, so again we're talking about the dark mirror of the clific world. >> Okay. And in the in the non-clifodic and the upright tree of life, is there tunnels or no? >> No. So I'm I'm going to explain it this

5:25 · Unknown · way. The tree the the the tree of life is upright. The the tree of death or the aver

way. The tree the the the tree of life is upright. >> The the tree of death or the aver the averse tree the the clonic tree that's you know they they that tends downward. um through and under dense materiality. It's literally if you look at it, it on a on a capital Q cabistic tree of life. It is extending downward from the black of Malc right. Malcuth being comprised of the four elemental um sort of ruddy colors citrine olive russet. Black is the bottommost. It is on the black of Malcuth that the averse tree descends

6:06 · Unknown · further downward. Now there are 10 sephirot on the tree of life. There are 22 naval

further downward. Now there are 10 sephirot on the tree of life. There are 22 naval paths on the tree of life that connect these the the the sephirot. They're traversible in in vision work in hermetic cabalistic magic. Um they represent life as it is experienced. um the experiential components whereas the Sephirod are archetypal things which are uniform um uh and are applicable through the collective unconscious to everything that is they would they would be more tent about to the like let's say Plato's

6:49 · Unknown · uh you know forms then you have the paths that connect them the 22 paths uh making 32 quote unquote paths of wisdom when you add this the sephirod to the Na'vi talk

uh you know forms >> then you have the paths that connect them the 22 paths uh making 32 quote unquote paths of wisdom when you add this the sephirod to the Na'vi talk. But if you take the tree of this is a trick and a cold trick. They always take the glyph as a whole afterward and add that. So really there are 33. You have the the 10 sephiroth, the 22 navad and the tree as a whole. Um the tunnels of set are a con. I'm not sure where this comes from. Um, but I understand it to be that the averse tree

7:30 · Unknown · rather than having paths has tunnels because it's it's downward

rather than having paths has tunnels because it's it's downward. It's it's in materiality. So it's like we're digging away from the light. We're digging into the, you know, the the arets. >> That makes the earth. >> And so so there are 22 tunnels of Seth and it's it it it becomes really interesting. Um because you have essentially uh in in in Hebrew cabala you have uh again this inherent duality within the world the material creation. And so you have it stratified into the

8:11 · Unknown · sitra de kadusha and the sitra

sitra de kadusha and the sitra. And so this sitra de kadusha is the side of holiness and the sitra is the side of impurity respectively. So uh you know again the the the sitra is the realm of this uh averse tree and it has all these tunnels which are you know they're a dark inversion of the the paths on the upright tree. So, um, that again, you know, it's it's it's just really interesting to see how much of this conversation is really coincidentally boiling down to this dark reflection. I think we've had a couple

8:52 · Unknown · of really good examples for for people

of really good examples for for people. >> Definitely. Okay. So, um, yeah, and I think this book is maybe it's just the first half of it, but it's kind of geared towards a lot of that. I think that's what probably why I'm coming across a lot of that. But um so I came across this abida and it says servant a similar word appears in Arabic hence abdullah equals servant of Allah and so this this wasn't even necessarily this question wasn't about uh this Abdullah or anything I'm mostly curious it kind of

9:33 · Unknown · just made me wonder I wanted to ask you in your assessment Allah versus Yahweh

just made me wonder I wanted to ask you in your assessment Allah versus Yahweh. Um is your view or your uh interpretation and your understanding is Allah correspondent to the biblical Yahweh or the demiurge or is there a different view as to how that's kind of understood? Um well here we diverge again between practitioner basis and and and sort of historian or or uh religious you know theologian or or religious interpretation. I view uh Allah as corresponding to you know the smitic god L because that's essenti it's the same

10:24 · Unknown · they're they're cognates it's the same thing but I think that by the time that Islam was around uh the term L was just another name for you know the Abrahamic God and was that and the Abrahamic God was Yahweh or the demi age

they're they're cognates it's the same thing but I think that by the time that Islam was around uh the term L was just another name for you know the Abrahamic God >> and was that and the Abrahamic God was Yahweh or the demi age? >> Well, there were there were so many different there were so many different names for it. Um, you know, yes, there's the God is referred to by many many names. There's this really cool Bible called the the name the the names of God Bible.

11:03 · Unknown · Oh, yeah. I want to get that one. Yeah. And and I mean it's dicey when you when you

>> Oh, yeah. I want to get that one. >> Yeah. And and I mean it's dicey when you when you when you when you try to stick everybody. There's it's not a onetoone correspondence. Typically, we don't have enough cultural nuance and and understanding to be able to to it's they're not all one one being really. It just becomes that way. The same way like band-aid, I say band-aid, you know that I mean bandage. Band-aid is not a thing. Band-aid is a [ __ ] brand. >> But that's the way people use words.

11:35 · Unknown · They don't use them precisely

They don't use them precisely. People don't value precision, they value convenience. And you know, just, you know, we let's have everybody, you know, the path of least resistance typically intellectually. So, um, you know, I don't which one was the demi urge, which one was the creative god? I you know I that's not something I have completely worked out but I do see a lot of correspondence between the God of let's say the Psalms and things like that the Hebrew Psalms and and and even

12:09 · Unknown · the God of Genesis really uh with the the conception of obviously Genesis and first of all the Hebrew Psalms and I think Genesis are are believed to have been kind of coexistent with they were so they were contemporaneous with the Platonic dialogues

the God of Genesis really uh with the the conception of obviously Genesis and first of all the Hebrew Psalms and I think Genesis are are believed to have been kind of coexistent with they were so they were contemporaneous with the Platonic dialogues. So as Plato was talking about this demi urge that you know measured the earth with with compass and square and tools and things like that geometry it was the same thing in psalms talking about how God created the earth with a compass and squares and

12:41 · Unknown · and things like that and and um so I think they were approaching the same entity but the difference is that the Israelites made contracts with these with these deities whereas right God's people um Yahweh's people's people Adonai's people Um they had different names for him, you know

and things like that and and um so I think they were approaching the same entity but the difference is that the Israelites made contracts with these with these deities whereas right God's people um Yahweh's people's people Adonai's people Um they had different names for him, you know. Adonai just means Lord. Um L was a was a was a Babylonian god, you know. Um but anyway, so so I I see a lot of similarities there, but I I can't say that I believe everything to have a onetoone correspondence. I think that

13:15 · Unknown · particularly a friend of mine recently and I were talking about this and she said something pretty interesting

particularly a friend of mine recently and I were talking about this and she said something pretty interesting. It makes for bad magic. So >> yeah. >> Okay. So, I think I should Yes, I'm on the snowball. All right, cool. >> All right, cool. So, um came across ball, which most people are probably familiar with if they've read the Bible. Um gives a couple different definitions. One, Lord, owner. The second is arch demon corresponding to Netzac. And then in parenthesis, uh says

13:54 · Unknown · Mathers. I'm assuming he made that connection. Um, so my question about this was, an

Mathers. I'm assuming he made that connection. Um, so my question about this was, and it's probably just my misinterpretation of not understanding where it's going with this, but my original thinking was, is this associating with Ball with the upright tree and the Sepharat of Netzac, or is this probably more so saying something along the lines of maybe it's the demon corresponding to the mirror of Net sack in the tree of death. Is that >> Yeah. Okay. >> That's that's exactly what that's that's

14:32 · Unknown · nothing on the upright tree is demonic

nothing on the upright tree is demonic. >> Everything on the everything on the upright tree has has a dark reflection. And but that it's it's it the place where that dark reflection is is on the averse tree. The uh sitra the the sitra um acra. >> Oh, okay. Makes sense. Okay. And then so I came ac across uh Baleth says the 13th spirit of the Galatia and demon by day of the first deck of Leo according to the Yorum Solace demon of the first quintance of Sagittarius also spelled

15:10 · Unknown · Baleth or Blet uh king commanding 85 legion formerly formerly the angelic order of the powers

Baleth or Blet uh king commanding 85 legion formerly formerly the angelic order of the powers. And so that formerly of the angelic order of the powers was going to be in regards to my question. Is that mean that they fell? And does this have anything to do with the shattered vessels? >> Um, I would I would say yeah, there's a there's a really there's in in Judeo-Christian tradition, there is this really interesting throughine. There's there's a whole kind of um what am I trying to say? There's there's

15:55 · Unknown · a like storylines I guess uh that you see repeatedly of angels falling

a like storylines I guess uh that you see repeatedly of angels falling. So yeah, it's like I would assume that that is has referred to to um some sort of angelic fall. Now what what does that look like? What does that mean? I I my opinion of of like an angel falling based on the ideas of particularly the Gnostic cannons, right? the hypotheses of the archons and the secret book of John, even the book of Enoch, the Watchers, it's it's it's angels that come, they say, you know what, we and this I'm not

16:41 · Unknown · making this up, you know, I'm not trying to be um crude or lewd, but they they essentially say in these texts, we're attracted to human women

making this up, you know, I'm not trying to be um crude or lewd, but they they essentially say in these texts, we're attracted to human women. We want to go and have sex with them. And uh and and that's yeah I can't blame him but um but uh so essentially right what are they attracted to? They're attracted to the the physicality, the materiality, the body, and um because that's what they want, right? I mean, in the hypotheses of the archons in the secret book of John, I mean, it's just God, it's rape

17:17 · Unknown · after rape after rape, you know, and like group group raping, you know, like of these angels to these women

after rape after rape, you know, and like group group raping, you know, like of these angels to these women. Um the book of Enoch puts it a little more gently. It says that they courted women and had children with them and taught them things, but still, you know, um it it did not come to good. It created the nephilim, you know, uh it created the their sons who who became so desirous of of, you know, they were so big. They were huge. They were these giants and they needed they they they ran out of food to consume and

17:51 · Unknown · resources to consume. So the angels just started the fallen angels just started feed

resources to consume. So the angels just started the fallen angels just started feeding them people. >> You know, God was like, "Okay, Michael, you got to take care of this." And you know, you you better run when you hear Michael. But um uh that's that's basically they're attracted to the highly they're attracted to the you know the the matter. >> Um and >> and and that that they it's the thing is that they are succumbing to the same impulses that human men have.

18:23 · Unknown · They are they because it's not it's not like that's what's here

>> They are they because it's not it's not like that's what's here. That's matter does that. It just makes you want to believe in its reality and chase its gratifications and heed its impulses which are comp they're diametrically opposed in most senses at an extreme >> to to to the you know the the higher divine uh prompings and the things that really the you know Jacob's ladder Jacob's ladder another Hebrew tale where it's like yeah the soul descends But it

19:00 · Unknown · descends so that it can reasscend

descends so that it can reasscend. >> Definitely. I I'm curious in your opinion, do you what do you think? Do you think like something like the book of John um do you think it was excluded for the sake of it being too vulgar or do you think it was excluded for the sake of it just maybe not uh being in a Yeah. What's What do you What do you think about >> orthodoxy? It was excluded because it it it diverged from the orthodoxy of the bishops at the time who were chosen um to to put to to sort of exemplify in

19:42 · Unknown · Rome uh and and beyond, right

Rome uh and and beyond, right? Because like it wasn't it wasn't the Bible didn't get figured out at the council in Isaia. That's a [ __ ] fallacy. Most people think that that's the case. They're like, "Okay, it's these books. How could they do that? They were still kind of trying to figure out how do we get along? Let alone now we have state sponsorship. We've become CocaCola. You know, it's like uh how do now how do we do this? It was a very very long process. But I think typically the

20:11 · Unknown · Gnostic stuff right out of the gate was rejected

Gnostic stuff right out of the gate was rejected. The the Coptic schools in Alexandria in and around Alexandria, everybody like the people that that heated Rome were basically like, "No, not you guys." Uh I I think that the spiritual if I want to talk to why if I want to speak on why that was allowed to happen from a spiritual perspective, it's because those gospels reveal the reality of the demiurge or demiurgic and aronic nature of this game we're stuck in. Whereas church doctrine upon receiving state

20:56 · Unknown · sponsorship from Rome, right, the biggest organization in the world, how could you talk about leaving materiality

sponsorship from Rome, right, the biggest organization in the world, how could you talk about leaving materiality? How could you talk about not worshiping gold? How could you talk about, you know, bowing to no one but Christ? You could not put that in Roman Catholicism. It had there had you look even now it says they never translated the word mammon. When Christ says you cannot serve two masters, you cannot serve God and mammon. Mammonus was money but they didn't translate that because how can

21:34 · Unknown · you have a place like the Vatican which is covered in gold leaf and say you can't worship God and money you know

you have a place like the Vatican which is covered in gold leaf and say you can't worship God and money you know. So it essentially the priests at that time who were making those decisions the the the bishops and the clerical authorities they were giving in to the clifodic that you know the belief in the material illusion and that's just what happens little by little every day it happens to all of us do I do the thing that's that makes sense in terms of my financial and physical life or do I do the thing that

22:06 · Unknown · makes sense in terms of of my spiritual life and a lot of people make a lot of [ __ ] money telling you you can do both, you know, that prosperity gospel horseshit

makes sense in terms of of my spiritual life and a lot of people make a lot of [ __ ] money telling you you can do both, you know, that prosperity gospel horseshit. Christ and they're all they're pulling from they're pulling from the demi-urgic stuff, you know, um the contractual stuff. Those like guys like Dave Ramsey, they'll they'll quote to the nth degree the Old Testament because it's it's, you know, it's it's got great sound advice for money. But what they never talk about is when

22:34 · Unknown · Christ said it is easier for a rich for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven

Christ said it is easier for a rich for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. It they don't want to talk about that. Yeah. >> So So and that's why really >> Christ was not talking about the same God or gods as uh as in the Old Testament. He came to to deliver a new dispensation which is what made him special. And we could have some vestage of that as a formalized religion had these things not been excluded. Had they not taken the money, right? Don't take

23:06 · Unknown · the money. Don't take the money. Um, okay. So, Ben, uh, one definition, son. Two, a

the money. >> Don't take the money. Um, okay. So, Ben, uh, one definition, son. Two, a title of Tifferth. Three, the secret word of the world of absolute. >> Um, my question and They're all They're all called Ben because they all mean son. >> Oh, okay. And so my one question was I think I've come across a couple other things and they say the secret word of so on and so forth. What's up with that? What's the secret word? Um and what's the utility of that?

23:46 · Unknown · Um I tend to look at the secret word

>> Um I tend to look at the secret word. I mean this is this is a subject of capital Q cabalistic exigesis that that um that Mathers kind of goes over a little bit but typically right Norvon Rosenroth delineated it in his cabala de nudatada which which um Mats translated at the behest of Wescott Wescott told him you know you're pretty promising I why don't you translate this and so Mathers went and did it and it started him off on this whole kind of cabalistic obsession that lasted arguably for the

24:18 · Unknown · of his life. But but Wescott was the real he was obsessed with cabalism. He took a 2

of his life. But but Wescott was the real he was obsessed with cabalism. He took a 2-year uh retirement or hiatus from his job as city corner of London to lock himself in his townhouse and just study the cabala. So uh but um uh apparently they're like, you know, they're secret names obviously. Uh you've got alb uh which is really to me it it has connotations of father aba um which makes sense because it's the the the the secret name of atiluth the divine noose or mind um and which

25:01 · Unknown · generates you know all the impulses of of of creation

generates you know all the impulses of of of creation. uh but that that is translated as the concealed. Then you have seg which trans which is the the the briatic secret name the secret name of Bria which means the exalted. Then you have ma which is the secret name of yet the which gets translated as the incomprehensible and then you have Ben which is the secret name of Malc. So again it's kind of this interesting mantra like stuff you know highly uh you know vibratory in in in in just being

25:41 · Unknown · monoselabic and and kind of being you know there's there's a strong vowel in the center of each of those words

monoselabic and and kind of being you know there's there's a strong vowel in the center of each of those words. That's how I kind of apply it. And um >> it's like the heart of the meaning of it or something along those lines. >> Yeah. And but the thing is it's essentially the secret names are telling you something about the nature of each of the four worlds because the na the secret names are are corresponded to the four worlds which are further corresponded to the four carobam which

26:11 · Unknown · are further corresponded to the four elements

are further corresponded to the four elements. Technically the kerobam and the four elements are the manifestation of the four worlds in materiality. The four-fold nature of of you know the plan or design of of God. So um but they they also uh according to the Cabala unveiled relate to um the 231 gates which are essentially permutations of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. And he doesn't really go into great detail about how to use them or how they're used. Uh but um again to me it it it kind of betrays

26:50 · Unknown · this idea that words are sacred that divine vibration

this idea that words are sacred that divine vibration. I mean if you even look at the the Vic tradition right when Brahma um literally brings creation into existence the sacred word is and it's very sonorous there's lots it wasn't like to you know it's like it's a very like it's a word that that is full of vibration and uh I think that maybe they were kind of hinting at that or or guessing at that to some degree there are various applications of those kinds mantrum uh in in ritual work but you

27:27 · Unknown · know I don't think that has much to do with with the question definitely um okay so came across the sigil of buer ber uh says demon of the first quint of scorpio president commanding 50 legions appears as center la goes on um oh yeah it says appears as a centaur when the sun is in Sagittarius uh teaches moral and natural philosophy, the art of logic, so on and so forth

know I don't think that has much to do with with the question >> definitely um okay so came across the sigil of buer ber uh says demon of the first quint of scorpio president commanding 50 legions appears as center la goes on um oh yeah it says appears as a centaur when the sun is in Sagittarius uh teaches moral and natural philosophy, the art of logic, so on and so forth. Um so my I think my question in this regard and this probably bad bad example cuz it I think it's a demonic um thing but say

28:09 · Unknown · it was angelic or whatever and you were doing an invocation or evocation

it was angelic or whatever and you were doing an invocation or evocation. My question was about timing. Um, and if you are to do some sort of invocation or evocation with a particular angelic or demonic whatever entity would you obviously I'm thinking you would want to do it in a um apicious timing that's going to be aligned with uh whatever it is that you are invoking. or evoking. And I was wondering if you are to do this or do something along these lines in timing that is not favorable, could that cause

28:56 · Unknown · a conflict or any form of detriment to your uh invocation or evocation

a conflict or any form of detriment to your uh invocation or evocation? >> Yeah. So, um we call this in in hermetic magic, it's called the chyros, which means time. It just means proper time. Um kyos in Greek now in modern Greek actually is funny. It means weather. So I've always thought of it as like okay chyros is the astrological weather. You know what is what are what are the planets doing um etc. What's going on in the skies? Uh yes um there are certain operations that you must do under spec very very

29:35 · Unknown · specific timings even in alchemy you know it has to be done

specific timings even in alchemy you know it has to be done. Now two different things. Cidurial astrology has to be used for operations whereas tropical astrology can be used for things like birth charts. >> Super important point I think >> right you have to it has to actually be in the in in that the planet has to physically be in the constellation. Okay. It can't be. Well, tropical astrology says it should be there or it would have been there, you know, 1500 2,000 years ago. Uh,

30:12 · Unknown · for magical operations, you have to find where that planet is in the sky and you have to face it typically

for magical operations, you have to find where that planet is in the sky and you have to face it typically. Um, at least know where it is so you can you can direct your working toward it. Uh, and there are certain techniques that you can use that are really interesting. Now if you don't do something in a proper timing, my experience has been that it's not that things will technically go haywire. I mean there are other attendant things like let's say if you do cuz because you got to be pretty you got to be specific

30:49 · Unknown · in your ritual work. You can't just do things kind of willy-nilly. Let's see what ha

in your ritual work. You can't just do things kind of willy-nilly. Let's see what happens. I think in the beginning some safe low voltage level of experimentation is necessary but you you want to try and as you get as you get more and more advanced you have to try and really dial in with your intention and uh so if you want to amplify you know you want to invoke Mercury to bathe in its energies during a mercury retrograde if you're not the type of person who has a handle on their mercurial energies. Meaning if you

31:25 · Unknown · haven't called that forth into your sphere of sensation via ritual, contemplation and meditation before enough to the point where you have become aware of your vices and virtues corresponding to the planetary vices and virtues, then you are going to probably have a hard time

haven't called that forth into your sphere of sensation via ritual, contemplation and meditation before enough to the point where you have become aware of your vices and virtues corresponding to the planetary vices and virtues, then you are going to probably have a hard time. Now, here's the thing. If you have an illdignified Mercury in your natal chart, you may just have a hard time dealing with that planet in it. doesn't matter how auspicious the timing is if you have a difficult relationship with that planet

31:58 · Unknown · um in terms of you know uh Mercury could be well dignified in in the current day but

um in terms of you know uh Mercury could be well dignified in in the current day but if it's not so in your chart and that's a thing that gives you problems then it's the energies are going to be challenging at first no matter what um and it doesn't mean that like bad shit's going to happen you might not Mercury is a perfect example you might not be able to concentrate I can't get through the goddamn ritual because I I have, you know, an illaspected Mercury and um it's

32:27 · Unknown · just uh it's it's too much

just uh it's it's too much. So, so that could happen. Typically, in my experience, it's just nothing will happen. One of the things that occultists kind of forget is that really, so let me let me start off by saying first of all, yes, there are many operations and kinds of operations that have to do with the planets. There are many operations that have to do with the elements. There are many operations that have to do with the zodiac. There are certain theoric particularly theoric uh operations. A great example is the

32:57 · Unknown · abberlon that says don't worry about where the planets are right because we're trying we're doing something that's supposed to get us out of that right we want to get like to to use an analogy we want to get beyond earth's atmosphere to use an analogy uh so where that stuff can't really affect us anymore

abberlon that says don't worry about where the planets are right because we're trying we're doing something that's supposed to get us out of that right we want to get like to to use an analogy we want to get beyond earth's atmosphere to use an analogy uh so where that stuff can't really affect us anymore. So, so there's certain things you don't don't even give a damn about the about the um the planets certain things. Um but uh there are other things where you know

33:29 · Unknown · you're you're looking at the timing and and uh you know you may have to reschedule and it's a it's a hard truth particularly I would say for like alchemical operations you really want to dial that in

you're you're looking at the timing and and uh you know you may have to reschedule and it's a it's a hard truth particularly I would say for like alchemical operations you really want to dial that in. But also another thing is moon phases are super important. So you as a magician you typically want to work in the the full or waxing. Well, you could even you I would even work in the in the I would do some light work in the waning moon, but you never really want to work during like a the end of a waning session, you

34:03 · Unknown · know, or a waning period and during the dark moon

know, or a waning period and during the dark moon. So almost like half the month you want to be doing internal work, meditative work, contemplative visualization, pathworking to do external magic which requires not just the physical component, not just the astral component, not just the spiritual component, but the etheric component that's governed by the tides of the moon. So when you're in the dark of the moon, you have less etheric energy to work with. It's not sometimes it's not worth doing a ritual um certain

34:40 · Unknown · kinds of rituals. So you would want to do inner work at that point. You want to do s

kinds of rituals. So you would want to do inner work at that point. You want to do stuff that didn't involve you know manifestation or a high voltage sort of uh spiritual like divine light divine shifa invocation work. It's just a lot of that stuff is not going to be it's not going to be as potent. And one of the reasons why that can suck is because you know we can be fragile. We can we can kind of, you know, we can we can kind of doubt ourselves and kind of get down in the dumps about magical work not really

35:14 · Unknown · being very powerful or substantive

being very powerful or substantive. And so I think a lot of that has to do with with with attitude, mindset, um, and belief. Some people are doing magic like I hope something happens so that I become a believer. Well, that's you're not really going to make much happen because faith is the first lesson, right? Even if you're a Gnostic like I am, you need faith until you have noises. Otherwise, you're gonna stop looking for it. You know, you're gonna you're g you're not you're gonna stop

35:41 · Unknown · that relationship. You're gonna stop that dialogue. You need faith even as a Gnostic

that relationship. You're gonna stop that dialogue. You need faith even as a Gnostic. >> Yeah, definitely. Uh and then kind of in regards to timing and timing of things, um I'm curious about the like the Jewish calendar. um it's a different set and things are in a little bit of a different arrangement in terms of the months and the timing of things and I wonder for a practitioner such as yourself when you're working in any of your systems is there a place for utilizing a Jewish calendar

36:25 · Unknown · system or is it primarily Henistic or I mean this is aside from like alchemical operations obviously

system or is it primarily Henistic or I mean this is aside from like alchemical operations obviously. But yeah, that and then um you know kind of the uh your opinion on like Henistic uh system versus versus the uh like Jewish uh calendar system. >> I I don't I don't technically see them as antagonistic because the Jewish calendar system is is based on a on on on lunar cycles, right? So the first the first full moon is is the beginning of the month, right? And that's the origin

37:01 · Unknown · that's the etmology of the term month you know uh it's was supposed to be that actually um but the helenistic system uh really in in in Helenism the year in theory began with the appearance of the first new moon after the summer solstice

that's the etmology of the term month you know uh it's was supposed to be that actually um but the helenistic system uh really in in in Helenism the year in theory began with the appearance of the first new moon after the summer solstice. Right? So there there's still kind they're all predicated on on on lunar cycles. And lunar cycles, as we just mentioned, are something you definitely want to, even though I think a lot of magicians don't take into account in magical work, but also in

37:36 · Unknown · certain kinds of theurgic work like uh El Cohen the all predicated on lunar cycles, you know, at least at least at the lower levels

certain kinds of theurgic work like uh El Cohen the all predicated on lunar cycles, you know, at least at least at the lower levels. I'm not sure about the higher levels, but that's that is all predicated on on lunar stuff. So, um I see I see consonants. I see a harmony with that kind of stuff. Um at the end of the day, for magical work, you need to be you need to be taking into account cidurial astrology and where the moon is, what phase it's in, and what it's doing at all times. So, if you can do those

38:18 · Unknown · things, it doesn't really matter what calendar year you're in

things, it doesn't really matter what calendar year you're in. >> Yeah. because you can you can figure you can figure out based on what you want to have happen and what's going on in the skies. You can figure it out. >> Makes sense. Um so something I keep coming across when reading through this is these references to the arm solless like it'll say um it'll give a definition and then it'll say according to the arm solless or whatever. So obviously it's an important foundational

38:49 · Unknown · text at least in regards to where a lot of this information is derived from

text at least in regards to where a lot of this information is derived from. So I was wondering if you could speak to that particular text, maybe some of the history, any of the context around it, like what it what it is, what it covers, things along those lines. >> Yeah. So the Oram Solus is one of those technically so it's called the Ogdoatic tradition. Um and they work based on you know um the the ogdoatic schema of of the hellenistic you know the planetary agad. Um uh it was started in 1890s I think 1897

39:32 · Unknown · 1897 by two gentlemen named George Stanton and Charles Kingold

1897 by two gentlemen named George Stanton and Charles Kingold. Uh I I'm pretty sure it was in the UK. Pretty sure it was in London, but uh they call themselves hermetic and theurgic, but um it kind of it kind of morphed. So one of the things that the Orum Solus has has averred from the beginning is that they're descendants from something that they call the Cargi Circle. And so the CargI circle goes back to uh the era of Renaissance neoplatanism. goes right back to Marcelio Ficino. He was the

40:09 · Unknown · center of this. So during during the the beginning of the Florentine Renaissance, th

center of this. So during during the the beginning of the Florentine Renaissance, there was this there was this guy and he was a Platonic scholar which was incredible at the time because the only the only text that was available in Latin to read during the Middle Ages up until that time uh was the time. But there was this guy named Hordos Kistus Plethon and he they called him the second Plato. Um, I'm not sure exactly how, but Plleon is is cognate with Plato because in Greek they didn't Greeks

40:40 · Unknown · don't call him Plato. They call him Platon or Platono. Uh, we call him Plato because

don't call him Plato. They call him Platon or Platono. Uh, we call him Plato because I to be honest, we have no [ __ ] idea why we do that. We I don't I don't understand why we do most of the things we do when we translate Greek Greek to English. It's ridiculous. >> Convenience like you said. >> Yeah. I I just don't even know. I just feel like it etmology is really important to me and I'm Greek so the Greek language and Greek traditions are very important to me and so I I just see

41:08 · Unknown · academics have been [ __ ] butchering that language for so goddamn long and then they just sm they smile at you know when you're when you're pronouncing a Greek word you know uh that they totally anglicize they make it so vanilla that I want to puke but but it's just like you I but I went to Harvard

academics have been [ __ ] butchering that language for so goddamn long and then they just sm they smile at you know when you're when you're pronouncing a Greek word you know uh that they totally anglicize they make it so vanilla that I want to puke but but it's just like you I but I went to Harvard. Okay. All right. Anyway, I'm I'm digressing. Uh but so Gistus Plethon, the second Plato, he impressed uh Kazimo Demedi and his associates. They came to know each other. There were certain certain

41:44 · Unknown · treaties going on at a certain point where where Kasimo met his acquaintance

treaties going on at a certain point where where Kasimo met his acquaintance. And so later on when Kasimo went and he had he had these these monks for hire in these monasteries all over Europe looking for these these texts from the ancient world that you know that were like lost to Europe and he struck gold numerous times, right? Because all these monasteries it was they they had the Greek, you know, and those guys they they they had these texts like in a in a dusty basement or some some sort of

42:16 · Unknown · library somewhere. So they they got the the entire works of Plato came into the cust

library somewhere. So they they got the the entire works of Plato came into the custody of the Medaji dynasty under Kasimo and he had Marcelio Ficino his young proteége or or really he was Kasimo was kind of a guardian and a benefactor to him his entire life. He trained him or really gave him the money to be trained. He said translate Plato. Um, Facino had that hap, he translated it into Latin, the entire Platonic Corpus and Arisatilian and the Corpus Romeicum. But, uh, and at that point, Kasimo sort

42:50 · Unknown · of founded a new Platonic Academy

of founded a new Platonic Academy. And during the course of um, and this was at the really the under the guidance of Gist Platon uh, all this stuff. um Facino had listened to him uh give lectures and then during the course of his translation, you know, he notes about how how he has this like this change in his worldview based on not only just the Platonic stuff, but he translated Platinus and Yamus. So he was he was reading all the the neoplatonic stuff too and he had a real change in worldview. And so Kasimo effectively

43:28 · Unknown · founds the new Platonic Academy and he makes Fuchino the head of it and he buys him a villa for himself for retirement and study in a little place called Kareggi

founds the new Platonic Academy and he makes Fuchino the head of it and he buys him a villa for himself for retirement and study in a little place called Kareggi. And so it becomes this informal circle of of artists, of intellectuals, of literati. You know, they're going there to to have, you know, Fino would would sing the Orphic hymns. They called him uh they his nickname was Orpheus because of how well he could play the liar and the guitar. Um uh you know, the version of whatever Italian Renaissance

44:04 · Unknown · version of the guitar he had

version of the guitar he had. But he and he would he he reconstructed the orphic hymns. And so he would put on these basically these performance pieces with with these intellectuals and bohemians and artists at this place at the Villa Cari. And so the Orum Solless claims descent from that group of initiates that they claim kind of continues, you know, onward down the line. Um they include like and I'm not even sure if this is anacronistic. I'd have to look at like a textbook or something, but they include

44:34 · Unknown · like Dante Alieri, you know, and and uh everybody else whose bones are in the uh you know, the Basilica uh Santa Catino over there in Florence, which I've been there

like Dante Alieri, you know, and and uh everybody else whose bones are in the uh you know, the Basilica uh Santa Catino over there in Florence, which I've been there. Uh you know, so they essentially they essentially claimed descent from that group of initiates that were doing, you know, re like like rediscovering the rediscovering the Greek neoplatonic works. And then you have, you know, down the line the the the um grandmaster of of the order becomes uh it comes to Mita Denning. That's a

45:13 · Unknown · that's a Nam de Plume

that's a Nam de Plume. Um I'm not sure of their real names, but it's it's Osborne Phillips and Molita Denning. And they were writers in I believe the 60s or or 50s. and they um they wrote a series of books called uh I think the magical worldview series or something like to that effect. It's now it's now all been compressed into three volumes. Um and they're they're uh they're invaluable for anybody who wants to learn about the the Ogdoatic the Western mysteries really. Um whereas you have

45:51 · Unknown · and there's an element of this too from what I understand in Oram Solus but the Golden Dawn relies heavily almost completely on on Egyptian um and then of course at the higher levels that blends with Eninoi and angelic magic but but like Coptic Egyptian is like the foundational stuff of the Golden Dawn whereas you're doing your rituals in the Oram solas you know the setting of the wards uh uh you rousing of the citadels and things like that

and there's an element of this too from what I understand in Oram Solus but the Golden Dawn relies heavily almost completely on on Egyptian um and then of course at the higher levels that blends with Eninoi and angelic magic but but like Coptic Egyptian is like the foundational stuff of the Golden Dawn whereas you're doing your rituals in the Oram solas you know the setting of the wards uh uh you rousing of the citadels and things like that. You're doing them in Greek. The kaix is in Greek. Um so

46:25 · Unknown · it's very much it very much has that flavor and there's a lot of that kind of deity work that that kind of pantheon is what you're working with in ritual

it's very much it very much has that flavor and there's a lot of that kind of deity work that that kind of pantheon is what you're working with in ritual. um more so uh but but Denning and Phillips they they basically revamp the order and they they write this these instructional books these beautiful philosophical treatises that are so incredibly important to the western uh esoteric tradition as it stands in the modern day um and they they they reinvigorate it but the oram solus is typically not an

46:57 · Unknown · order that people even even initiates of years you know decades either know or have been initiated in It's very selective

order that people even even initiates of years you know decades either know or have been initiated in It's very selective. Uh uh but at some point it it it splinters and it becomes uh there's there's this again as there as as esoteric orders are want to do they they're breakaway you know and offshoot orders and so essentially one group takes the curriculum and another in in I guess away from you know the the authority quote unquote of of the oram solus and they branch off and they call

47:31 · Unknown · themselves the ashram sophi and Uh they're essentially doing the same work to my understanding

themselves the ashram sophi and Uh they're essentially doing the same work to my understanding. um they still rely on the the Denning and Phillips works, but uh now I believe that the grandmaster of the Orum Solus is Jean Louie Debas and he um he kind of took it in a direction that's a little more pagan, whereas like to me the Denning and Phix Phillips stuff was much more in line with the the kind of theology uh of the the higher her genius, which to me has way way more, especially cababalistically, especially

48:16 · Unknown · um way more of a Christian under undertone to or overtone

um way more of a Christian under undertone to or overtone. I mean I mean that's you're essentially trying to awaken the Christ force in yourself whereas from my experience um of at least a probationer materials of of the oram solless very very strong pagan very very um or not very very but I would say I got a vibe that was antithetical to Christianity and I not antithetical but m maybe somewhat passive aggressive towards it. So, as soon as I see that, I'm like, I'm out. Because that means

48:55 · Unknown · you don't understand esoteric Christianity

you don't understand esoteric Christianity. And if you don't understand esoteric Christianity and you're just basing everything on, you know, the quote unquote church, then there's no way you can understand occultism because occultism is esoteric Christianity. everything else. Everything else, druidry, uh, the Norse stuff, it's a refucking construction from 17th and and and you know, uh, and or 18th and 19th century like intellect European intellectuals. They remade that stuff

49:31 · Unknown · up. Wikah, the the, you know, uh, whatever it's called, Aaru, Aartu, uh, the the Nor

up. Wikah, the the, you know, uh, whatever it's called, Aaru, Aartu, uh, the the North Pagan stuff. It's it's just it's a reconstruction. It didn't it doesn't >> No, the the astroargentum is is a is a is the order of the silver star and that's a Crowley thing. >> But um and even Crowley, you know, he talks about the true will and the higher divine genius and stuff. He just, you know, he he had too much even though he he strove upwards, he he also strove way

50:07 · Unknown · [ __ ] downward. He was definitely walking, definitely traversing the paths and the

[ __ ] downward. He was definitely walking, definitely traversing the paths and the tunnels and um the tunnels perhaps uh a little bit um a little bit more than the paths. Now, you're supposed to be able to do both, but the difference is you have to connect with that Tifereth force before you descend. And it's the same in the Abberlon ritual. You purify, make contact with your holy guardian angel, then you call forth because you're not working under your own authority anymore. You're

50:40 · Unknown · working under the the the spiritual authority of something that is higher than you and mediating for you between you and God or the highest the one the absolute

working under the the the spiritual authority of something that is higher than you and mediating for you between you and God or the highest the one the absolute. So until you've achieved that safeguard of working in and under the opaces of this this in the golden dawn we would conceptualize it more as less of an exterior entity and more of the aspect of your spiritual architecture which is unborn to the physical world. Once you make a contact with that then you go down. But if you don't make that contact or if that

51:17 · Unknown · contact is tenuous, you're going to get lost in the maze of the tunnels of Seth

contact is tenuous, you're going to get lost in the maze of the tunnels of Seth. And a lot of people revel there. But at the end of the day, they're going towards soul death. >> I came across uh the word earth as it says one of the four elements associated with >> uh associated with the final he of the chhatra graviton. one of the seven earths corresponding to the suppernal sephro. So I was like wondering seven earths what is that in regards to >> the seven earths as far as I understand

51:54 · Unknown · is is is like Islamic uh from what I understand there's a hadith which is basically a commentary kind of like um kind of like uh the but there's a hadith that talks about the seven earths um but the and I'm not sure what the word is but the word can be translated as land

is is is like Islamic uh from what I understand there's a hadith which is basically a commentary kind of like um kind of like uh the >> but there's a hadith that talks about the seven earths um but the and I'm not sure what the word is but the word can be translated as land. So, so it's also the seven lands um or or um or seven you know earths like you're saying it can be translated either um and from what I understand there are like according to this hadith uh commentary is like okay there are seven

52:40 · Unknown · earths that have seven rulers and these are only known to to God to Allah Um, the way that I interpret it, it sounds very much to me as if it were at least the way it's written in in in the Islamic text

earths that have seven rulers and these are only known to to God to Allah Um, the way that I interpret it, it sounds very much to me as if it were at least the way it's written in in in the Islamic text. It sounds almost multi-dimensional, which is crazy. But a lot of scholars also translate that just to mean like seven different topograph topographical regions or seven different temperate zones. you know, they're obviously always they're constantly going to be deferring to this material um

53:18 · Unknown · explanation. To me, if I were reading that with no explanation, I would think the se

explanation. To me, if I were reading that with no explanation, I would think the seven classical planetary bodies, the seven other earths, you know, um and they do all have rulers, right? um according to uh according to the cabalistic system and they comprise the the the ruach of the the individual. >> Okay. >> The spirit. I >> think this is my last question I got. Um I'm looking at this depiction of the tree of life from Citapus Egypticus by Athanasius Kchner in 1652. Uh it's got um you know the different

54:04 · Unknown · sephrats laid out with some Hebrew stuff intertwined within each sepharat

sephrats laid out with some Hebrew stuff intertwined within each sepharat. And there's a couple of them um like for example hess. Is that the right pronunciation? Hessid chess. Yes. >> Yeah. Hed is is how I say or hessid. Yeah. >> Um and I think hard to read the the font on this. It's either 33 or 55 uh princes uh their origin from Mercury and then it's also got something in regards to 50 gates of light. But yeah, I was wondering if you could speak to what these princes possibly represent or what they are,

54:49 · Unknown · what they have to do with or anything along these lines

what they have to do with or anything along these lines. Well, I I mean, obviously, the Kercher tree is the is is probably the most well-known image um among like I guess I would say academic occultism, but you know, there is still a lot of stuff on there that that mystifies me again because it was his interpretation, you know, and he was a German Jesuit uh kind of interpolating or interpreting this uh uh Chris Christian cosmological worldview through the lens of the Hebrew cabala. He's famous for

55:30 · Unknown · saying either the either the the Hebrews were Egypticizing or the Egyptians were Hebraizing or Hebraizing which means that uh the the Judeaic tradition to him uh was ultimately Egyptian or vice versa which is very very interesting because it's it has tremendous consonance with um with the occult societies of of of of the day at were of today

saying either the either the the Hebrews were Egypticizing or the Egyptians were Hebraizing or Hebraizing which means that uh the the Judeaic tradition to him uh was ultimately Egyptian or vice versa which is very very interesting because it's it has tremendous consonance with um with the occult societies of of of of the day at were of today. But um the the princes in terms of that uh the the only thing that I can really wrap my head around having not fully kind of digested that material because it's I mean it's it's

56:14 · Unknown · just enormous and difficult to read is um each of the sephirod has a hierarchy right that is that it's that's so important the idea of hierarchy right um It's so important in the ancient world and in reality, you know, in in the the structure of reality, hierarchy is is a reality because it's it's ordered, right

just enormous and difficult to read is um each of the sephirod has a hierarchy right that is that it's that's so important the idea of hierarchy right um It's so important in the ancient world and in reality, you know, in in the the structure of reality, hierarchy is is a reality because it's it's ordered, right? And so, uh, the people at at this this time kind of packing things into this, you know, beautiful filing cabinet of the lineal glyph of the tree of life, they're they're trying to follow this

56:52 · Unknown · beautiful divine order

beautiful divine order. And so, they're classifying all these things based on this rank and hierarchy. And so you find things like hosts, you know, there are like angelic hosts associated with each one of the uh the um the uh the Sephiroth. Now you also have this idea of of of powers uh dominions principalities uh these kind of pseudoian who actually pulled a lot of uh proclases neoplatanism into Christianity. So the direct through line from proclas to pseudoianis the arropagite into Christianity. But he kind of he he

57:42 · Unknown · pulls this Pauline uh hierarchical system um right coming from that very famous line that we do not struggle with with with flesh uh flesh and blood

pulls this Pauline uh hierarchical system um right coming from that very famous line that we do not struggle with with with flesh uh flesh and blood. we struggle with uh you know uh principalities and dominions. Uh so but he pulls this whole hierarchical system that he creates off of this Pauline throughine and this neoplatonic hierarchy of being and he creates uh essentially you know the the the order in which this is goes right back to what we were talking about in the beginning of this conversation is the way the

58:22 · Unknown · divine projects downward into materiality and he groups you know uh certain rulers really the word principalities comes from the the Greek that Paul used archons, rulers

divine projects downward into materiality and he groups you know uh certain rulers really the word principalities comes from the the Greek that Paul used archons, rulers. >> Um, and so that to me would be what he's what Kerser is relying on in that, right? Because what he's he was obviously versed in some form of Platonism. He was definitely versed he was a theologian in the in the the the the Catholic Church. Okay. He was a Jesuit. So that's like the that's like the paramilitary. That's like the Navy

59:02 · Unknown · Seals of the church, right

Seals of the church, right? We've talked about them. So, uh, he definitely knew all that stuff. So, probably he he he he found places um into in on the tree of life, I think. Would you say they derive their power from from Mars, was it? Oh, uh, actually in terms of where they derive their power from, I'm not sure, but like it'll just say like this one, it's in, uh, yes, it says, well, because it obviously it corresponds Yes with Merc. I think it says, maybe I'm reading that. Maybe it says mercy actually.

59:40 · Unknown · Mercy. I said Mercury, I think, but it's I think it says mercy. It's it's it's proba

>> Mercy. I said Mercury, I think, but it's I think it says mercy. >> It's it's it's probably mercy because they're extending from from, right? >> Yeah. Their origin from Mercy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it says, >> right? So, so their origins for mercy. So, so that it's it's telling you a lot there, you know, the benevolent princes, the benevolent principalities, particularly because the image of you, you know, and and not only that, to be

1:00:04 · Unknown · honest with you, the quiet the the the um so the the the image of really, if you want to think about it, the archetypal image of of that sphere is sort of like this benevolent king, this king who's constantly giving

honest with you, the quiet the the the um so the the the image of really, if you want to think about it, the archetypal image of of that sphere is sort of like this benevolent king, this king who's constantly giving. And so it's interesting that he would kind of ally these princes underneath the king again rarifying it kind of it's reminding me of the angelic host in terms of the hierarchies that we use in um the magic of evocation of the golden dawn. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then like on the other

1:00:39 · Unknown · side there is the man and it's really hard to read this font but um right to the left to the to the left of uh Ho would be under Binha uh Gabbor

side there is the man and it's really hard to read this font but um right to the left to the >> to the left of uh Ho would be under Binha uh >> Gabbor. >> Okay. Yeah, it has I think it has like a different name though. But um >> Oh, they might it might be it might either be den or pashad. >> Pashad. That's what Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Um >> I think that means I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that means justice. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. It So it says um those

1:01:18 · Unknown · princes the orig are originating from severity

princes the orig are originating from severity. So yeah, it's like >> so that's that's the pill that's the pillar of severity right there. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Sweet. Um, so much >> we figured it out >> information. We fig we cracked the code to reality. We we know all >> Oh, that was really fun though. Um, >> yeah, that was fun for me, too. It felt like being kind of I don't know, like on an intellectual safari of Jewish mysticism. I I really liked it.

1:01:52 · Unknown · Yeah. Um, so is there any last um, closing thoughts on your behalf, on your part tha

>> Yeah. Um, so is there any last um, closing thoughts on your behalf, on your part that you wanted to put out there for any of the listeners or anything like that? >> Um, I just want to reinforce the idea that like don't think that the capital Q Cabala is the only one out there. Don't even think that there's one version of each cabala. There's like multiple versions of K Cabala, Cabala, Q Kabala. Um, study study but put it into practice. That's why I like Q Cabala. Q cabala the

1:02:28 · Unknown · the hermetic cabala is a cabala of magic of practical use that's why I lean on it I

the hermetic cabala is a cabala of magic of practical use that's why I lean on it I know about the other stuff to the extent that it informs my practice and my understanding but I the hermetic cabala is more useful to me because this is stuff that you should be doing you know at a certain level even if it's just going out and finding correspondences and putting them you know in in in in that filing cabinet in your mind, what what corresponds to what and then you use that later in let's say

1:03:02 · Unknown · elemental magic um based on a planetary correspondence

elemental magic um based on a planetary correspondence. So, you know, that's really it. Study widely and and try and use it. And Sky, it's always great, man. It's always great. You're always um you're always stretching my brain. I love doing this with you, man. >> Me, too. Such a blast. And just want to give a shout out. Uh TJ Bell sent me this awesome tincture of it's a lavender spaderic. I've been kind of taking it during this episode. Must say it's super

1:03:33 · Unknown · relaxing and calming. So just wanted to give him a plug. TJ Bell over there at Black

relaxing and calming. So just wanted to give him a plug. TJ Bell over there at Black Earth Alchemy. Hola. Um supposed to be good for >> He's got a TJ's got to come on my damn podcast. I've asked him. >> Yeah, mine as well. >> Yeah. Um All right, man. This was freaking awesome. So, thank you again all of the listeners. We greatly appreciate you. Everybody on the Patreon, seriously, um means the world. Um just that anybody would listen to myself and Ike have these conversations.

1:04:07 · Unknown · Um with that, uh we will close and until next time

Um with that, uh we will close and until next time. >> All right. >> All right. >> Take care.