Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:11:07
Relevant chapter: Future episodes and Sky Speaks idea
>> and and uh because there's a lot of [ __ ] that you know about alchemy that I have I don't know anything about and I I'd like >> talk about that with you. >> Hell yeah. All right. Things to look forward to. All right, brother. Till next time. All right.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 51:28
Relevant chapter: Preparation, dissolution, and safeguards in vision work
tendency towards dissolution, these forces are so you're you're you're invoking a current which is so dissolutive which is so radically alchemical that if you have not experienced an attenuated version of for lack of a better term oification, right? The alchemy of the outer order of the golden dawn enacts this on you. You It's a solve at coagula formula. You undergo the taking apart and then the reassembly of the constituent aspects of your psyche, your spiritual architecture. You recombine them under
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 48:45
Relevant chapter: The pentacle, earth, and balance
that's on the golden dawn pentacle. Um uh because by the time you've made your tools, you should be an adept. You don't make your tools before you're an adept because your your your microcosm is not balanced yet. It hasn't undergone the alchemy of the outer order, the salv coagula formula. So if you're making tools without having undergone the salv coagula, your tools are going to be out of balance. >> Um so so that's the whole thing. And the the the hexog represents balance, right?
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 29:35
Relevant chapter: Sidereal astrology and ritual accuracy
specific timings even in alchemy you know it has to be done. Now two different things. Cidurial astrology has to be used for operations whereas tropical astrology can be used for things like birth charts. >> Super important point I think >> right you have to it has to actually be in the in in that the planet has to physically be in the constellation. Okay. It can't be. Well, tropical astrology says it should be there or it would have been there, you know, 1500 2,000 years ago. Uh,
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:03:33
Relevant chapter: Closing thoughts on practical Cabala
relaxing and calming. So just wanted to give him a plug. TJ Bell over there at Black Earth Alchemy. Hola. Um supposed to be good for >> He's got a TJ's got to come on my damn podcast. I've asked him. >> Yeah, mine as well. >> Yeah. Um All right, man. This was freaking awesome. So, thank you again all of the listeners. We greatly appreciate you. Everybody on the Patreon, seriously, um means the world. Um just that anybody would listen to myself and Ike have these conversations.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 45:06
Relevant chapter: Letting go of assumptions to learn truth
these books okay so now you're not open you the truth will not reveal itself to you because you already think you know what the truth is and you're just in you're engaged in this like going on a roller coaster poster. It's an experience I want to have. This is [expletive] cosplay at that point. Okay. Now, [music] in order for the transmutation to happen, whether it's initiatic or otherwise, you [music] must allow yourself to undergo the negreo. Okay, these principles of alchemy aren't an
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 45:39
Relevant chapter: The alchemical process (solve et coagula)
analogy we borrowed. They're an an there are principles that underly they are the formula of creation. There are the tetra grammaton and the pentagrammaton. Those aren't they're not just names. Those are formulas. They are elemental and spiritual formulas of rectification. And [music] they are, as Phoenix would say, and it's brilliant, holographic and fractal. They exist in everything at all times. So we didn't superimpose the analogy of alchemy onto spiritual things. We took spiritual things and
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 46:19
Relevant chapter: The alchemical process (solve et coagula)
realized that pattern in alchemy. And no matter whether that's initiatic, whether that's in a formal order or whether life does that to you, you have that real tower tower card experience as the as you know uh uh um cabalists might say in accordance with the the tarot. That's alchemy. That's alchemy. You are breaking apart what is there completely separating it out preserving that which does not die in the fire and exalting that putting it together with that at the top spirit at the top that's the
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 46:53
Relevant chapter: The alchemical process (solve et coagula)
pentagramaton okay so if I were to say are there any other methods it's the method of alchemy and it's not that oh alchemy was chemistry originally it was concerned with this and we made it spiritual or vice versa It's a formula that exists in everything. It's like finding out the [expletive] universal equation, okay? And just we can you can see it everywhere because it is everywhere. And so that's the whole thing you have to I think undergoing any kind of change spiritual personal um
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 47:28
Relevant chapter: Alchemy as universal transformation principle
psychological being cognizant of the alchemical formula can only help you because you're going to be aware of these processes and you can even use the symbolic elements of air, water, fire and earth and the quintessence spirit you know azot ends whatever it is to to sort of awaken these things in their due season and proport proportion within your sphere of sensation. You can bring them to activity and that in your in your subconscious and conscious mind. This is what Jung wrote about. You know, he
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 48:00
Relevant chapter: Alchemy as universal transformation principle
didn't he definitely realized that it was spiritual, but he just couldn't write about it that way because he would have been, you know, out out the door. But, um, I think that that's super important. That's the way to, uh, to go about it. >> Yeah. I'm so happy and grateful that you're out there doing what you're doing, being a solid and articulate representative for these sacred currents, if you will. We need you, I feel. Um, are there any additional Yes, absolutely.
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 2:07
Relevant chapter: Esotericism and cryptography connection
that one, you know, unlocks mysteries or a symbolic uh system of language of some kind. Uh one has to learn certain keys for understanding like a particular text or you know like within alchemy for example or uh even you know modern digital or economic security apparatuses have to do a lot with you know cryptography and decoding things and things along these natures. So, we thought this would be a really fun one to kind of just explore these ideas um with, you know, esoterica and cryptography. And I really think they go
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 4:45
Relevant chapter: Mystery schools and layered symbolic understanding
look at uh tonight were Trimus and Raymond LOL. Um but yeah, before we do, is there anything that you have in response to all that that I've laid out? >> Yeah. Well, first off, I don't really know too much about Raymond Lol. Um I understand his work within the the context of alchemy which is to say that there really is uh I mean that's not true but he wasn't a big proponent of it. Let's say somebody like Thomas Aquinus was again working within that you know uh monastic Christian
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 45:38
Relevant chapter: Raymond Lull: mystery, alchemy, and speculation
pull up on the screen some significantly cryptic texts that were uh sent to me by a friend of his that I had not come across till pretty recently. >> A friend of who? Raymond lol. >> No, a friend a friend had sent them to me uh these these documents. But um >> I'm like you are you summoning spirits of the dead into crystals? >> No, not there yet. Um, one of the points that he said to me when he sent them was that one really has to ignore all the commentaries and just study the source
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 46:13
Relevant chapter: Raymond Lull: mystery, alchemy, and speculation
works with no uh like you know preconceived notions and >> just that is excellent advice for like pretty much anything in the occult. >> Yeah. you know, just to begin to understand what's really being said instead of kind of grasping on to definitions and whatnot. And uh leaving the code words as open variables and after a while, you'll start to kind of become more familiar and things will become more clear. He he said exactly what you said earlier. They they call it a mystery tradition for a reason and I
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 46:49
Relevant chapter: Raymond Lull: mystery, alchemy, and speculation
would have to agree with that. Um, but yeah, let me pull up some of these because these are really cool ones. And I think they're they're more uh like alchemical in nature for sure, but there's a lot of other ones that I don't even know. I'm not really familiar with the script type or anything like that. And I'll blow these up so that you can see them better. But um this is >> beautiful >> big book. But yeah, let's like blow one of these up. I mean, there's just so much depth and
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 50:57
Relevant chapter: Alchemical symbolism and historical debates
to to to Raymond Lul. I know you said you're super interested. >> Uh I think it's the alchemy, which this document in particular right here, I honestly have no clue. Um there's just lots of very interesting artwork, but there's this other one. And what I find interesting about this one, let me open up. So, like these, he's got a bunch of these. And these are very alchemical like you can see um >> hold on let me find there's the terminology in it which is uh like sakunda you know that's like an
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 52:14
Relevant chapter: Alchemical symbolism and historical debates
principle to with an alchemy. But like in this you clearly see salt, sulfur and mercury in the center and the salt um that salt symbol is used throughout these and it's pertaining to alchemy. And I I think I might be wrong but I think that Raymond Lul was before Pariselus. >> Huh. So that's >> might have been I think he died in the 1300s. Paraselus was what 1500s? Let's see. >> I I think I think Paracelis was technically like right at the beginning of the Renaissance, right?
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 53:24
Relevant chapter: Authenticity vs pseudo-Lullian works
done at a later date. Um but it is it is I mean it's it's beautiful to look at and uh these something about these looks very rosy cushioned to me. you know, they it doesn't look I'm not I'm not getting the like for the time period. I'm not getting that like extremely Catholic, extremely Christian sort of um expression of these ideas. uh and I I I I wasn't aware that that alchemy particularly in in in diagrammatic form like this was as sophisticated during this time period. I
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 55:16
Relevant chapter: Authenticity vs pseudo-Lullian works
sophisticated and there's so much depth and detail to all of these. I mean, you could just stare and try to decipher and read all these for forever. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the the thing the thing that that like my understanding um uh of of Raymond Lull uh was that within his actual like academically verifiable authentic corpus of work that he actually was not at heart an alchemist. um in terms of like there was nothing in it to suggest that he actually believed in in uh in actual alchemy because don't
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 56:05
Relevant chapter: Academic caution vs speculation in occult history
forget at this time right so Fra Albertus um or or I'm sorry Alberta Magnus I apologize Alberta Magnus again working within that Christian millu Thomas Aquinus was his student um he did experiments with alchemy back then it It's extremely literal still. Um he did experiments with under the opaces of the church. You had Thomas Aquinus who was very interested in in whether or not like alchemically produced gold could be sold on the market for at like this the same valuation things like that. But to to my I I was aware that
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 57:53
Relevant chapter: Academic caution vs speculation in occult history
going to keep both things in mind, but I'm going to I'm going to default in this case to because I don't feel like he was I don't feel like he was like a lynch pin. And I could be wrong. could be just showing my ignorance right now, but I don't feel like Raymond LOL is like the guy that I have to figure out whether or not he actually gave a [ __ ] about alchemy. Um, you know, whereas there are other people that I would need to find that out about where so so I feel like I would default to what is available
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 40:31
Relevant chapter: Egyptian mysteries, Mithraism, and Zosimos
everything. He's associated with alchemy, hermitism, neoplatanism, the uhnosticism because he was a great harmonizer of these things. Actually, I just spoke to uh Dr. Shannon Grimes. She wrote uh she's the the um >> heard of her >> department head yeah of the of religious and ethical studies at Meredith College over in Raleigh. >> And she wrote she wrote an excellent book. I got it right here. Becoming gold. >> Awesome. Yes. >> About >> I've seen that one.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 51:28
Relevant chapter: Preparation, dissolution, and safeguards in vision work
tendency towards dissolution, these forces are so you're you're you're invoking a current which is so dissolutive which is so radically alchemical that if you have not experienced an attenuated version of for lack of a better term oification, right? The alchemy of the outer order of the golden dawn enacts this on you. You It's a solve at coagula formula. You undergo the taking apart and then the reassembly of the constituent aspects of your psyche, your spiritual architecture. You recombine them under
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