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Relevant chapter: Golden Dawn relationship with Freemasonry
activities to take place within Masonic institutions? >> Well, the thing is the society of a like I said earlier was not the golden dawn. >> Mhm. They some of the curriculum some of the I I'll put it this way. The cababalistic correspondences in the tarot >> came from the work of of the society of Wescott began so Wescott had this whole trajectory where he he he quit his job for two full years. He took a hiatus. He went on temporary leave for two years to lock himself in his London town home
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 5:56
Relevant chapter: Historical context: monks, scholars, and hidden knowledge
But um Tmius is a very interesting character to me. But one of the first things I want to point out is that magic is a and just in general, right? I mean, it all boils back to Plato. He talks about forms. forms are in the Golden Dawn, you know, we say by names and images are all powers awakened and reawakened. You know, in things like rosy Christianism where you you see all of this these diagrams um in Freemasonry, right? A uh beautiful system of morality veiled in allegory illustrated by symbols. The symbols
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:10:41
Relevant chapter: Pentacles, talismans, and protective tools
like open as the Golden Dawn or even Freemasonry. So, some of this stuff can't get talked about too much, but um I've not, >> let's put it this way, I have not yet used those. >> And are you able to decipher any of the information and what these are depicting? Are these symbols besides the like the Star of David kind of um imagery with the other stuff in here? I mean, I see like, you know, the crosses or whatever that are attached to the corners, but as far as those those other
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 0:00
Relevant chapter: Intro to Freemasonry and the mysteries
All right, welcome to another episode of the Aetherica podcast, aka the Astral Garden. I am Sky Matthysse here with my co-host, Ike Baker. How you doing, Ike? >> Howdy. All right. So, this episode we're going to be covering and going into the mysteries. Um, so I actually I found this kind of cool book recently um called The Origins of Freemasonry and the Knights Templar by John R. Bennett. And I haven't really read into it a whole lot. I just kind of poked around a little bit and it had a really cool
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 0:48
Relevant chapter: Intro to Freemasonry and the mysteries
table of contents and all that. Um, so it kind of inspired me to want to talk a little bit about some of these subject matters in this episode. And so I guess to start off, I kind of wanted to get your personal take on the origins of Freemasonry as you see it. And I don't know, perhaps it maybe has something to do with uh Syrian Adinesian mysteries uh as well. and and the figure of Adonis. Uh it's someone that I just recently discovered, so I'm not really sure. I just saw that mentioned in the book. Um
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:27
Relevant chapter: Ike’s background and approach to Masonry
but yeah, if there's anything that you know about Adonis andor the Adenian mysteries, uh that would be awesome to talk about. But I guess first I'd like to get your take on maybe if you have any conclusions or uh leads on the origins of Freemasonry as you've come to conclude >> leads I wish uh I've um so I I might not technically be the most well-qualified to to speak on these things. Um, just because I want to make an admission, I've only been a master mason for uh just over a year, but
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 2:23
Relevant chapter: Ike’s background and approach to Masonry
I spent um almost eight years now in the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn. Um, I've been uh a Martinist in the Martinist Order of America for formerly MOP. We had a split um for a number of years as well. So you can kind of look at those organizations as and I know it's crazy because from a mundane perspective Freemasonry is esoteric but from an esoteric perspective and a cultist perspective Freemasonry is not really explicitly overtly esoteric. Um, and that that's kind of uh that's kind of where the stumbling
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 3:19
Relevant chapter: What Freemasonry is and why its origins are debated
block is. Nobody can really point to where it comes from because nobody can really agree uh on what it is at its core. Um, and you know, a lot of Masons will likely disagree, but there are the orders, you know, like the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn, like the Elu Cohen, like Martinism, like the rectified right of Willer Moses, like uh, you know, Keglostro's Memphis and Misam. They're all kind of these takes on what those people that founded those things thought masonry really was, what it was
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 4:01
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supposed to be. So they were like reading this esoteric book that was masonry, let's say for you know um as an analogy and trying to figure out what is this, you know, um I think I know what it is. Uh or you know some hidden tradition gets handed down or some intuition some insight you know uh that gets sort of you know it has bearing out in the contemplations and perhaps uh spiritual work of a practitioner and they decide they're going to go this way with it. Masonry has been very good as sort of
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 4:39
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like a seed ground for that kind of stuff. Splinter orders. I consider things like the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn, Martinism, El Collen, all that stuff. Um, I consider it within the greater framework of masonry. We're studying principally the same symbols. Uh, now that, you know, we want to be inclusive of the appendent bodies, right? It's not just Blue Lodge. Um, but we're studying a lot of the same symbols in just a a different context with a little bit a little bit more of a liberal
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 15:24
Relevant chapter: Architecture, harmony, and sacred geometry
kind of helmed something with a group of people, it's extremely difficult. Um uh so you have the McGistri Komasini who essentially um are the descendants of the Roman collegia of architects and they essentially and and Freemasonry kind of to make a long story short comes out of those rituals comes out of those things and then uh from there what happens is you have even in masonry today there's a distinction between uh operative and speculative so what we do as as blue lodge mason Mason is
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 18:25
Relevant chapter: Operative versus speculative Masonry
Our men were strong um our women were strong. And now uh it's all gone to hell because they've put us in rectangles. Which it's kind of interesting. It's kind of interesting, right? Because when you as a magician or or anything when you create the first step in creating a sacred space is to cast the magical circle. That's your circle of power, you know. And even in Freemasonry, the compasses circumscribe us, right? Compasses make a circle. They make a perfect circle. And they're one of the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 20:15
Relevant chapter: Esoteric interpretations of Masonry
secrets or esot esoteric side of Freemasonry. Now you have just anybody claiming that it's like that Charlie Day meme that they have now. It's like non-Masons trying to explain to Masons what masonry is about. Um, you know that whole like, oh, you don't have the 360th degree, so you don't know. You don't know? Well, how about this? You don't [ __ ] know. And if you want to know, come join us. Um, that's that's the real thing. Even, you know, anyway, um, before I lose my cool, I uh
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 21:27
Relevant chapter: Esoteric interpretations of Masonry
know. You know, we don't have to really be able to pinpoint this [ __ ] If it works, use it. You know, all this intellectual speculation, it gets us nowhere. It's we're chasing our tails. We have it. It's right in front of it's in our hands. We don't need you don't need to, you know, understand it in any other light. But um the esoteric sort of exposition of this stuff basically is that I mean it all boils down to Freemasonry descending from ancient Egypt you know and and beyond it
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Relevant chapter: Vatican Ban on Freemasonry
this. So, Vatican City, November 15th, >> Vatican has confirmed a ban on Catholics becoming Freemasons, >> a centuries old secretive society that the Catholic Church has long viewed with hostility and has an estimated global membership of up to 6 million. Active members membership in Freemasonry by a member of the faithful is prohibited because of the irreconcilability between Catholic doctrine and Freemasonry. the fat Vatican's doctrinal office said in a letter published by Vatican media on Wednesday. So, I wanted
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to get your thoughts on >> Well, here are my thoughts. You know what's a secretive society? >> What? >> [ __ ] church. And you know what? I wish they'd ban touching all them little kids. >> Don't we all? >> Okay. And you know what might be the first step to that? Allowing these priests to [ __ ] marry. >> Yeah. you know. Um, so I don't really care. It doesn't matter to me. Um, again, this it's you don't even want to hear my what I what I it's all tied together. I don't I
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don't believe that any I don't believe that any institution particularly nowadays but at least for the last two or 30 hundred years I do not believe that any institution rises to any significant level of power or prominence without first passing through a gate that has been installed in our society for centuries. And you basically once you p once you make that decision to pass through that [ __ ] gate and play and and enter into that that game um you don't get to make the decisions anymore.
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Relevant chapter: Vatican Ban on Freemasonry
Everything becomes political and everything serves one end. But the key to all that working is that you must maintain the illusion of variety when in reality it's one hand in a multi-fingered glove. >> So, um I think it's political. I think it's irrational and I think it's, you know, it's just another thing like, okay guys, what else we got on the docket? It's a [ __ ] distraction. you know, there's the Catholic Church has so much more that it should be dealing with,
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Relevant chapter: Vatican Ban on Freemasonry
you know, than uh Okay, what's next? Freemasons? Nope. You know, like we don't give a [ __ ] you know? None of us care. So, it's uh we're out here doing charity and and and and lectures and feeding each other, you know? We're not I'm not wearing a [ __ ] pointy hat in a room with gilded walls telling people what they can and cannot do, you know? I mean, I I went to the Vatican. Yeah. There's this whole idea of apostolic poverty. If you took your [ __ ] finger and scratched the wall like this, you'd
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Relevant chapter: Vatican Ban on Freemasonry
have enough gold under your nail to feed a family of four for a [ __ ] month. So, I I don't want to hear it. I don't care. No one No, no one should care. >> Yeah. Um it's just yeah so like I see it I mean I feel like it's the way they see it is almost like a competition thing like the irony is like you said like an institution such as Freemasonry of which actually invibes virtuous qualities and character building and maintains an actual uh propagation of integrity within individuals is being banned. And
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Relevant chapter: Freemasonry as a Threat to Control Systems
I think that maybe they see it as something like, whoa, you know, a lot of these people are really value valuing this thing, Freemasonry, and finding value in it be because of its good qualities and it's and it the effect that it's having on people gravitating towards it because of it. I feel like >> I as I said before, Freemasonry is a threat to that [ __ ] glove, >> that hand under the glove. That's why the glove the the hand under the glove is always it's you're always going to be
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:08:35
Relevant chapter: Freemasonry as a Threat to Control Systems
able to tell where it is. You're never going to be able to point out where exactly, but you'll be able to feel the tide because it's always pointing at something and telling you that it's basically taking everything that it is, all the evil and exclusion and and selfishness and manipulation and clandestine properties and it's always projecting that at whatever it's trying to take down. So, I don't look at the thing that people are saying is bad. I look at the mouthpiece and I say, "Well,
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Relevant chapter: Freemasonry as a Threat to Control Systems
the the bad is in there somewhere. It's animating that because there's a concerted effort." Why now? When's the last time the church discussed [ __ ] Freemasonry? >> You know, the first papal bull was in like the 1700s. Why now? >> Well, you see, it's it's a con, you know, I I see a concerted effort, >> you know. Okay. Over here, you've got the conspiracy thing, you know. Yeah. For years they've been talking about it's really no nobody gave a [ __ ] about
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Relevant chapter: Freemasonry as a Threat to Control Systems
the Freemasons in the 80s. It's like it was like after 9/11 that people started going on the [ __ ] internet and talking about the Freemasons, you know, it's this is a recent thing with w with this particular iteration. Granted, there's been an anti-masonic furer here and there um since since the organization started. That's a consequence of of fearing the unknown, you know, but There is a concerted effort to paint us, me, you know, and the people I hang with, uh, as like these clandestine
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