Transcript passage · Unknown · 22:21
Relevant chapter: Pagan theurgy and Neoplatonism influences
Golden Dawn. >> Mhm. >> So I go out and I work and I research and I do you know minor personal translations and I'm putting corroborating also putting test uh putting classes in curriculum and talks together and the more I do that the more I realize that they were drawing from Agria they were drawing from fino they were drawing from they were drawing from Platinus they were calling directly from it. So those sources uh before ficino were pagan. Embleian theorgy is pagan. Proclus
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 49:47
Relevant chapter: Demiurgy, theurgy, and the ascent through the elements
that. But ultimately what we talk about there is is in and he doesn't call it this but it's been called this before and I want to delineate it very clearly. That kind of magic is called demiergy. Okay. >> Oh interesting. as opposed. Some people call it low magic, some people call it field magic, some people call it natural magic. But that's what the first book of AO philosophy is about. It's about natural magic. It's about demi-urgy. You start changing things in physical existence
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Relevant chapter: Demiurgy, theurgy, and the ascent through the elements
with by way of the four elements, right? You've got the demiurge who you know under under one system of correspondences you know is tantamount to the the ineffable name the tetra grammaton yode vave as fire water air earth respectively to each of those letters that's what you're working with in demiergy you're working with the elements but when you get to the which is the point of the three books now you're incorporating the the the fire of spirit which is in shin. It descends in between the elemental
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 50:56
Relevant chapter: Demiurgy, theurgy, and the ascent through the elements
demiurgic name and rens away upward away from having to uh gratify my material desires by changing my material circumstances and now I'm more focused on spirit and what agrippa would say being perfected in the divine mind. And so Agria in the course of his three books really he's reconstructing the trying to rehabilitate magic from demiergy but he he essentially says which is witchcraft but he essentially says you have to start with demiurgy >> because the analogy that I kind of created that that he he he kind of hints
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Relevant chapter: Demiurgy, theurgy, and the ascent through the elements
at is that that's where we are. We're in Malcud the Visayiah. We're in the physical universe. So we are, if you look at it like some people would call this like the latter of virtues, you know, you have to ascend. I prefer to look at it in terms of a musical scale, you know, and what's happening there is that the physical material is the root note if you if you understand music is the root note of a specific key. Whether that's fire or whether that's marshall or whether that's jupitarian or
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 30:57
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
grimoire tradition he then stripped them really mostly of the Hebraic names as far as one can in favor of things like using the names of the evangelists, you know, uh Mark, John, Luke, and Matthew, things like that. he wanted to go strictly old uh strictly New Testament with everything which to a degree I I you know I I'm behind that and that that has to do with the idea that um you know look at Marcianite Gnosticism and and other things like that that equate the the the demiurge with uh the God of the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 31:37
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
Old Testament, right? going from all the thou shalt not all that stuff that's in the Old Testament. Christ never said thou shalt not, you know, he never threatened, you know, uh uh the same kind of things. You'll feel my wrath. You you'll dip the the tongues of your dogs in your enemy's blood and things like that. Um and that's the disparity, right? That's the disparity. You get all these people saying like, "Well, if God loves you so much, why are you going to hell?" It's like, "Well, that's the Old
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 32:10
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
Testament, right? They didn't say in the Old Testament that God loves you." The Old Testament was contractual. You do A, I give you B. It's when Christ comes that he says there's there's a God behind the God. There is there is something higher. And that is explicitly what the demiurge is said to be in Valentinian Sethian uh basaliannosticism in in >> Marian Marci too. Yes. uh uh you know even mandan nasticism all these forms ofnosticism a ver that the demiurge is you know there whatever created this
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 32:51
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
universe whether or not right sethianism will tell you that it's hostile baselianism valentinianism not so right I believe it's in the val the the basalitian corpus where uh it might be in the exogetica but he talks about how like the coming of Christ actually made the demiurge want to repent and say look I'm sorry I just didn't realize I didn't realize there was anything higher than me. So so you you have you have that conception there too in Pasquali and that was the job of the El Cohen the the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 33:26
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
um the knight mason elect priests of the universe it's that that those degrees are ordinations. You become a priest. It's a laying on of hands. It's not it's not like getting bonked on the head like okay you're with us now you know you you become a priest and essentially you live as a lay priest. You have not been ordained by any formal what you know you would have had to have been Catholic had to have been Catholic. Um and some iterations of the Lu Cohen to this day they will only elect
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 34:01
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
Catholics. Um so um he's pulling from nobility because they have the time and the money because essentially there are daily prayers, there are morning prayers, there are night prayers, there are theurgic uh operations. You need to have an oratory that is secluded. You have to have certain uh weaponry, right? It's shavalic masonry. You're a knight, you need a sword. It's, you know, it's all that kind of stuff. And knights were not poor people. Knights were the nobility. That's people get it twisted. The the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 34:33
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
noblemen um of that era were were the fighting men. Really? >> Yeah. Okay. And then how about um uh of errors and truth by Louis Claude de Sam Martan? Um what is the kind of general overview of this text? Um well I I believe that's where he goes into the idea of um the forest of errors and uh men of desire and he starts expounding this philosophy that kind of begins to scrape away or like scratch away at that remember cuz he wasn't writing for like an order. There was no order. He wasn't writing for mere
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 3:49
Relevant chapter: Theurgy, Ascent, and the Circuit of Force
demiergy. But ultimately, you use that as a working space, a container for your theurgy. And so theurgic ritual of the golden dawn is primarily to link oneself with the highest aspect of yourself. But not A to Z. It's A to B to C to D all the way up to Z. Right? It's or really Z to A. But um you are contacting all that the entire hierarchy of spiritual beings. You are you are literally working that ladder that we saw. You're climbing that ladder because in reality there's no other way to do
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 4:35
Relevant chapter: Theurgy, Ascent, and the Circuit of Force
it. And it's all based on emblemian theology. But the thing about the circuit of force and a lot of people have it [ __ ] because of the eastern contamination, the transcendent kind of like all is you know illusion and we have to trans transcend and and and get beyond the material paradigm [ __ ] You go up to come down. You go you go up the it's not fully transcendent where bye have fun rotting in hell. You come back down with with you know with that prometheian fire to to square the circle
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Relevant chapter: Theurgy, Ascent, and the Circuit of Force
spiritualize matter. But you don't do that based on what Pete thinks is good. Pete did a ritual. So now Pete's spiritual and you I think would be really good if everyone was vegetarian, you know, and then it's just [ __ ] chaos. What you're doing is you're ascending to the the arke to the the higher divine genius the the bornless part of yourself on that Buddha plane and you're making a contact with it and you're essentially saying as you you know you return work through me and so
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Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Matter & Theurgy
noose, then we can experience henosis, union with the divine, then we can become a species of enlightened and then we can kind of evolve beyond this. And he calls that theoria which means divine contemplation. Whereas amlus said I'm no we have to use the matter because there's numa in the matter that there are the the platonic forms the ideals you know perfection is in matter even if matter can only vaguely dimly express it because it's constantly changing and falling apart which means it's not real and it's not
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 21:40
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Matter & Theurgy
perfect but it's there it still possesses some some influence from perfection and so and and and some species of of numa of spirit And so we have to use matter to climb back up. And that's the urgy. >> Wow. That is amazing. Um it kind of reminds me a lot of like the shattered vessels things or the trap sparks that need to be liberated and like >> Yes. 100 100,000%. And that's exactly why I'm constantly saying Cabala is not inherently Hebrew. Cabala was was a product of helanized Judaism of the
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 41:09
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Theurgy & On the Mysteries
theology from this whole idea. Everybody's talking about it and giving me [ __ ] nosebleleeds. It's just like, you know, I myself too, you know. Um >> yeah, >> it's just such a trending thing in our communities, but it's like I don't know. It's, you know, we're I feel like a lot of a lot of us are putting the cart before the horse again with it, but um bound to happen. It's okay. But, uh he really hairy, you know, there's this weird thing and we've spoken about
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 41:49
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Theurgy & On the Mysteries
before. He writes this document uh that we call on the mysteries or uh deidius in Latin but it's it's on the mysteries of the Egyptians called etc. Um and he's basically uh he writes as um this priest Abon uh this Egyptian priest Abon um in response to Pfery the philosopher writing this kind of um this condescending sort of like he's trying to have like a gotcha moment where he's he's like asking He's trying to make the ritual sort of seem ridiculous in a lot of these way.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 42:38
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Theurgy & On the Mysteries
Now I I have heard from several people that um you know this was a way of of sort of teaching the question would the teacher would would ask you questions and then you'd kind of write a formal reputation. It's kind of like defending your thesis. U I've heard that. I'm not convinced. Um, the thing is too, I mean, it's like how do we I'm sure there are ways I'm sure there are several people who could who could um who could who could show me why, but you know, a lot of the times it's like how
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 43:13
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Theurgy & On the Mysteries
do we even know for like a 100% that amicus was the winner? He didn't put his name on the [ __ ] thing. It's signed Abama, the priest Abama. Um, and so that's really interesting to me. But the, you know, current scholarship suggests that it was Yamlus who uh who wrote who wrote on the mysteries and everybody's basically 110% certain about that. I don't give a [ __ ] who wrote it. Um, it's uh the document itself is fairly remarkable, but very very dense, very tur and very obscure. It's filled with a
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 43:47
Relevant chapter: Iamblichus, Theurgy & On the Mysteries
lot of jargon. A lot of that also has to do with Thomas Taylor's translations, the words that he used. He spoke an archaic form of English to us today. And uh he seemed to be the kind of guy who kind of maybe liked the smell of his own gas. I don't know. He just seemed like it was very very pompous, like very, you know, like an intellectual. Uh it's like even look I understand that you translated this like several centuries ago but you definitely could have chosen simpler words you know there's no excuse
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 46:07
Relevant chapter: Gregory Shaw & Understanding Theurgy
philosophy. There's a ton of theory, but we don't have a lot of technique. Um but there is some some brilliant uh really brilliant stuff in there. Beautiful, inspiring. Um, the thing is that you're not likely to get it uh on your first couple of reads of the Taylor Translation. What I recommend for anybody who wants to understand the is to read Dr. Gregory Shaw's theology in the soul. >> That will definitely help you um understand he breaks the terms down and relates how they relate to one another
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 46:41
Relevant chapter: Gregory Shaw & Understanding Theurgy
and um really synthesizes it in a way that's understandable and and really I mean You could probably use that book to as a as a starting point to make your own theoric practice. >> And do do we know anything about the etm etmology of the name? >> I think so. Yeah. But you also got to understand like you know Germanic and stuff like that from which English is is is called is an evolution um didn't exist. So I am wouldn't would it wouldn't have any bearing on what we believe I I am would baby those
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