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Relevant chapter: Venus ritual and unlikely social encounter
From the time I was 14 to the time I was about 30, nobody had ever ever approached me in this entire [ __ ] never ever ever ever. And I used to go there four or five times a week. And on the same day that I do the that I'm practicing the Venus invocation, pretty young lady comes and sits down and starts a conversation the first [ __ ] time in 16 years. >> That's wild. So th this is these are the things I'm it's it's it's not it's non it's non-logical but it happened and there's a very
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 28:09
Relevant chapter: Magical timing and spirit work
it was angelic or whatever and you were doing an invocation or evocation. My question was about timing. Um, and if you are to do some sort of invocation or evocation with a particular angelic or demonic whatever entity would you obviously I'm thinking you would want to do it in a um apicious timing that's going to be aligned with uh whatever it is that you are invoking. or evoking. And I was wondering if you are to do this or do something along these lines in timing that is not favorable, could that cause
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 28:56
Relevant chapter: Magical timing and spirit work
a conflict or any form of detriment to your uh invocation or evocation? >> Yeah. So, um we call this in in hermetic magic, it's called the chyros, which means time. It just means proper time. Um kyos in Greek now in modern Greek actually is funny. It means weather. So I've always thought of it as like okay chyros is the astrological weather. You know what is what are what are the planets doing um etc. What's going on in the skies? Uh yes um there are certain operations that you must do under spec very very
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 34:40
Relevant chapter: Moon phases and etheric energy
kinds of rituals. So you would want to do inner work at that point. You want to do stuff that didn't involve you know manifestation or a high voltage sort of uh spiritual like divine light divine shifa invocation work. It's just a lot of that stuff is not going to be it's not going to be as potent. And one of the reasons why that can suck is because you know we can be fragile. We can we can kind of, you know, we can we can kind of doubt ourselves and kind of get down in the dumps about magical work not really
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Relevant chapter: Mercy, severity, and sephirotic rulers
honest with you, the quiet the the the um so the the the image of really, if you want to think about it, the archetypal image of of that sphere is sort of like this benevolent king, this king who's constantly giving. And so it's interesting that he would kind of ally these princes underneath the king again rarifying it kind of it's reminding me of the angelic host in terms of the hierarchies that we use in um the magic of evocation of the golden dawn. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then like on the other
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Relevant chapter: you know and that's why you you you like you
you know and that's why you you you like >> you can you can bring in an angel you can sort of you can invoke an angel right but I wouldn't invoke a demon. I would evoke a demon into a triangle of art. you bind them. >> Okay. So, this might be an interesting question. The difference between evocation versus invocation, >> right? Evoke means to to call forward, to call forth, right? Like I'm evoking this thing. I'm saying you come here >> and so you you'll come if I if I were to
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 37:14
Relevant chapter: call you and tell you to come over, I'd be
call you and tell you to come over, I'd be evoking you, you know. Um, but then invocation is now I'm I'm inviting you into my magical circle, >> into my sphere of sensation. And when you invoke a particular power, I mean, especially if it's a god, you know, a deity of some kind, it can with what what they call ride you. And that means that you basically disassociate and that that power has complete control over your consciousness and your physical vehicle. Uh >> that can be tricky, that can be
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 37:52
Relevant chapter: dangerous.
dangerous. It can be done under the right situations. It's actually a powerful tool for divination. Um >> uh I've done it before, you know, in in a in a group ritual setting. I've done it a couple of times invocations but um I've been the initiating hierofont in in invocations. Uh but uh dicey tricky up to the the the people who have been doing it for a while and really know what they're doing. Um so invocation is in right starts with I am. It's telling you I'm allowing it in.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 38:25
Relevant chapter: Evocation is I'm calling you forward in front of me.
Evocation is I'm calling you forward in front of me. And when you do that in in in in you know uh godetic magic or grimmooire magic, you're calling them into a space that is set aside for them. And it's typically a triangle. They call that the triangle of art. And it binds them by divine names. And then you would use you know a a properly consecrated um ritual implement typically some kind of sword uh to basically threaten and command and bind them. Binding is the most important thing. Now I said earlier
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 28:32
Relevant chapter: Heptameron and angelic magic overview
with different intentions. You're dealing with different entities or or at least a different, you know, a different protocol and the way that you that you work and the intentionality that you work in and the current that you work in. But ultimately, you've got all of this boiling down to Christian magic, angelic magic, um, and really the evocation of spirits. And it's a it's definitely a different kind of magic. Uh, one of the things that was pointed out to me by uh, Dr. Skinner was that, you
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 29:10
Relevant chapter: Evocation vs spiritual development
know, by way of conversation and also by, you know, in reading the introduction introductory chapters to his book Greco Egyptian magic is that the magic of evocation does not necessitate that you have that you be spiritually developed, right? and and and adept of of magic of evocation is one that it has learned to call forth specific entities for specific purposes. And to a degree that's even angelic magic, you know, uh angels tend to be a little neutral. It's not like um this love and light, you
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 29:56
Relevant chapter: Evocation vs spiritual development
know, if anything, it's it's kind of this this foreign disinterest really. It's not typically what you would expect. Um but uh you know, you use various what they would call syntheian kind of neoplatonic theoric uh way. You use incense, you use um color, sound, names, uh right, vibration to get this entity which is real and objective but is does not have a concrete material form um to come forth, you know, or and then command it to do something. um if it's angelic could be help. It could be uh intercession in
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 30:45
Relevant chapter: Evocation vs spiritual development
somebody's uh health. It could be intercession um you know uh kind of the the purggation of of sin or um you know all that stuff the Christian stuff. Uh, on the other hand, if you have like goetic sorcery, you could be like in the PGM, you could just be calling forth a demon to pull a chicken bone out of your your sister's throat or something like that, you know, like it could be something extremely like like painfully mundane. Um, and that's really the biggest affirmation to me is like, oh,
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:08:44
Relevant chapter: Pentacles, talismans, and protective tools
right a filactory is normally worn around the neck it's something you it's like an amulet >> and so that that rests that rests on your breastplate and that's true of when you when you become superior in ku unknown superior that's kind of the third degree of martinism you get that martinis pentacle. Um, now you're not you're not supposed to take anything of a metallic nature into that into your circle of evocation. >> So, you essentially have to create a new filactory. Typically, I think it was
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:14:49
Relevant chapter: Rituals, operations, and protocols explained
>> Um particularly in the in the El Cohen and in all magic of evocation, the chyros of the moment, the astrological protocols that you have that have to be and astronomical uh protocols that have to be adhered to. So those are, you know, and and even like like a prerequisite protocol and a lot of the Elohen stuff you there's certain fasting, there's abstinence from from sexual activity. uh you live like a lame monk if you're really doing it. If you're really working the system, it's
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:18:44
Relevant chapter: Rituals, operations, and protocols explained
this for the purposes of education. I of evocation and and it's a little bit more serious. It's not supplication. I'm not asking a God to intervene. We're always working in the power of coming in the power of Christ, you know, like it's it's always that is that is what enables the grimoire magician. That is what enables the uh you know the Christian theist to do their work. It's not them, it's Christ working through them, you know. Uh, so I would say that in in in
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:23:53
Relevant chapter: Dangers of advanced Elus-Cohen practices
probably wouldn't want to jump right into the Elhu Cohen of things. Um, it wouldn't end well uh if you were to start out with that. Maybe you could >> that's that's my opinion. >> Yeah, you could elaborate a little bit on that. >> Sure. I mean, so think about everything that we've been saying. Evocation, exorcism, uh kind of this this Christian conception, this Christian model of of demonic and angelic forces. So you put two and two together. What does an organization like the Eloo Cohen
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 40:48
Relevant chapter: Transformation Through Initiation
They don't go there. It's not like going away to college because they're coming back talking about the, you know, they're not like they're not discussing the Dow, you know? I mean, like like the NASDAQ, you know, like they're not talking about like like mundane horseshit. They go there and they come back talking about the [ __ ] wheelwork of the universe. So, it's way more than just this vocational uh training. It these men are being taught there. it. What is being installed into their brain
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 54:05
Relevant chapter: Hermetic Texts as Initiatory Manuals
people these these [ __ ] things anyway. So take it, go and do whatever you need to do with it because uh that's the only reason I probably exist. But I look at the discourse on the eth and the ninth in multiple instances again layers of it. It's a manual for initiation. The discourse on the ace of the the ninth follows freemasonic ritual follows golden dawn ritual. The entire ritual like these rituals are based on the you know it's it's the perfect format. There's an entry, there's an invocation,
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 39:46
Relevant chapter: Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon
Solomon and things like he's a fixture in there. So we get um the testament of Solomon and then we get the greater key and the lesser key of Solomon. Um and the greater key is more interested with uh it concerns it's more theergic. It's more about the invocation of angels and the use of pantacles which have a talismanic and and character to them and they've got these sigils and things. Uh um and again these are collections of texts. It's not just like one book that somebody wrote. Um but uh and there's a
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 47:10
Relevant chapter: Goetia vs Theurgy
that's not really the case. And it's like, well, I get I get why you would have like this kind of adverse reaction to that, but at the same time, you can't just say it's all the same thing. It's clearly not. Um, goatia is the summoning, conjuration or evocation of uh, you know, really any level of the spirit hierarchy towards the end of personal gain for an item, for an end goal, for knowledge. Okay, I'm going to leave that where it is. I'm not going to comment on on on on any value judgment.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 24:43
Relevant chapter: Scrying Practices and Spiritual Protocols
very important. His spiritual protocols, his spiritual hygiene for the whole thing was super super important. Uh it was all based in in you know uh Christian invocation, Christian prayer. Um certain liturgies that actually resemble uh exorcisms and and stuff like that. And he he prepared um crystals and scrying mirrors. I think he might have used water too at a certain he did a lot of experimenting. Uh it's interesting that he preserved the golden chain of Homer. I don't recall him having any
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:28:46
Relevant chapter: Modern Society Regressing into Tribalism
profoundly sick society. Right? So you got all these people kind of just pantomiming uh what's coming out of the [ __ ] universities because those people are positing themselves. I've been to all of them. I've been to every kind of school. I went to community college. I went to a private college. I went to a state school. And I went to a vocational school. I've been to all of them. I've spent [ __ ] I've spent almost two decades, you know, at this point in [ __ ] schools. Um I know what the
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 57:06
Relevant chapter: Shakespearean imagery, Hell emptied, and the modern psychic landscape
>> It's fascinating. I had a conversation with David Rankin. He's releasing his next book uh Clavis Spirituum. He just did the Clavis Intellegentiarum, which is outstanding. Uh because David works in a in a much a much more safe milieu. If you're going to do uh evocation, he's doing Solomonically using a lot of Christian sort of sacramentary and and and and formulas and things like that. Um So, one of the things that he had kind of discovered or rediscovered was this invocation of the winds. And he had me
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