Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:57
Relevant chapter: Sodom and Gomorrah archaeological discoveries
world views and the place that they were, they could perceive this sort of thing as God punishing them or their land or their people um as well as maybe any natural disasters for that matter. Uh but do you find any in any of instances that you've may come across, have you ever been compelled that there was a good case to be made that I mean I don't know if you'd say God or the demiurge willfully affects the world in these ways or how do you view those things? So you can kind of address that
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Relevant chapter: Demiurgy, theurgy, and the ascent through the elements
with by way of the four elements, right? You've got the demiurge who you know under under one system of correspondences you know is tantamount to the the ineffable name the tetra grammaton yode vave as fire water air earth respectively to each of those letters that's what you're working with in demiergy you're working with the elements but when you get to the which is the point of the three books now you're incorporating the the the fire of spirit which is in shin. It descends in between the elemental
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Relevant chapter: Allah, Yahweh, and Abrahamic divinity
just made me wonder I wanted to ask you in your assessment Allah versus Yahweh. Um is your view or your uh interpretation and your understanding is Allah correspondent to the biblical Yahweh or the demiurge or is there a different view as to how that's kind of understood? Um well here we diverge again between practitioner basis and and and sort of historian or or uh religious you know theologian or or religious interpretation. I view uh Allah as corresponding to you know the smitic god L because that's essenti it's the same
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 20:11
Relevant chapter: Gnostic texts and orthodoxy
Gnostic stuff right out of the gate was rejected. The the Coptic schools in Alexandria in and around Alexandria, everybody like the people that that heated Rome were basically like, "No, not you guys." Uh I I think that the spiritual if I want to talk to why if I want to speak on why that was allowed to happen from a spiritual perspective, it's because those gospels reveal the reality of the demiurge or demiurgic and aronic nature of this game we're stuck in. Whereas church doctrine upon receiving state
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 30:57
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
grimoire tradition he then stripped them really mostly of the Hebraic names as far as one can in favor of things like using the names of the evangelists, you know, uh Mark, John, Luke, and Matthew, things like that. he wanted to go strictly old uh strictly New Testament with everything which to a degree I I you know I I'm behind that and that that has to do with the idea that um you know look at Marcianite Gnosticism and and other things like that that equate the the the demiurge with uh the God of the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 32:10
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
Testament, right? They didn't say in the Old Testament that God loves you." The Old Testament was contractual. You do A, I give you B. It's when Christ comes that he says there's there's a God behind the God. There is there is something higher. And that is explicitly what the demiurge is said to be in Valentinian Sethian uh basaliannosticism in in >> Marian Marci too. Yes. uh uh you know even mandan nasticism all these forms ofnosticism a ver that the demiurge is you know there whatever created this
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 32:51
Relevant chapter: Exorcism, theurgy, and the mission of the Elus-Cohen
universe whether or not right sethianism will tell you that it's hostile baselianism valentinianism not so right I believe it's in the val the the basalitian corpus where uh it might be in the exogetica but he talks about how like the coming of Christ actually made the demiurge want to repent and say look I'm sorry I just didn't realize I didn't realize there was anything higher than me. So so you you have you have that conception there too in Pasquali and that was the job of the El Cohen the the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:06:59
Relevant chapter: Pentacles, talismans, and protective tools
angels is a particular aspect of the totality of of uh the creative god let's say the demiurge great architect of the universe right and so she had mentioned exorcism uh within the el cohen so I wanted to ask you about these pentacles are these associated somehow in relation with exorcisms within the Elo Cohen. Um, so as far as I am aware, I'm not I'm not sure, but I'll tell you this much. Um, one of the things that you use is a you have a pentacle which is essentially a filactory,
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 37:33
Relevant chapter: Gnostic readings of the serpent and demiurge
of, you know, in in in the beginning of Genesis, uh, God said, "Let there be light." Things like that. Um, to me, I and and look, there are there are Gnostic schools that that kind of say that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was another form of Christ. It all depends on what we're talking about here. is the God of the Old Testament. Is that the, you know, the quote unquote demi urge? You know, the the blind kind of craftsman who can't really originate anything but has to imitate it and
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 38:10
Relevant chapter: Gnostic readings of the serpent and demiurge
doesn't admit that there's like a higher power above him. Is that what we're talking about? Well, yeah, then yeah, that makes that kind of makes sense. But, uh, if that's not the ground we're working on, I see no reason than I see no other reason than to vest the formula of transcendence in what is sort of bountifully laid out in the New Testaments according to, you know, the the the writings of Christ. Even the apocrypha, you know, you can go and check those things out, too. A lot of
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 8:16
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
as a practitioner I didn't start out as an academic um so I had to find out where is this coming from symbolically it makes a tremendous amount of sense as the fire of shin sort of rending the veil of materiality it's a very very Gnostic idea there right you have the the demiurge um according to valentinian sethian and basilidian forms you know martianite forms of gnosticism being the god of the Old Testament uh who's you know ineffable name was a formula you know yodehay vave that we render is Yahweh
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 8:16
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
as a practitioner I didn't start out as an academic um so I had to find out where is this coming from symbolically it makes a tremendous amount of sense as the fire of shin sort of rending the veil of materiality it's a very very Gnostic idea there right you have the the demiurge um according to valentinian sethian and basilidian forms you know martianite forms of gnosticism being the god of the Old Testament uh who's you know ineffable name was a formula you know yodehay vave that we render is Yahweh
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:57
Relevant chapter: Sodom and Gomorrah archaeological discoveries
world views and the place that they were, they could perceive this sort of thing as God punishing them or their land or their people um as well as maybe any natural disasters for that matter. Uh but do you find any in any of instances that you've may come across, have you ever been compelled that there was a good case to be made that I mean I don't know if you'd say God or the demiurge willfully affects the world in these ways or how do you view those things? So you can kind of address that
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 32:03
Relevant chapter: Monotheism, Henotheism & the Highest God
>> Um, we don't [ __ ] know that. >> But what we do know is that there's a tradition of hetheism and and ultimate monotheism, right? We see that. We see that in in Plato's conception of the the demiurge, right? That's and Plato in in the Timeus, right? Named after the Pythagorean character, the Pythagorean philosopher Tyus in that book who like it's it's it's rare that in that it's one of the Platonic dialogues where like Socrates doesn't speak that much. He's not the
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Relevant chapter: Monotheism, Henotheism & the Highest God
main character of the dialogue. In this dialogue, Timus is the main character and he talks really the demiurge, you know, Demiodus, the craftsman. I mean that's kind of the chief god you know he creates everything else after him using the forms right and then we see we see that that in um Plato that was what Plato would have it's the closest thing he would have associated to to Aagathon the good which is above everything else the the monatic center of of the universe the the the cause you know of
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 37:55
Relevant chapter: Gnosticism, Material vs Spiritual Reality
the other hand, you've got the Valentinians and you've got the Baselians who believe that the the demiurge is not, you know, uh intentionally malevolent, but just ignorant of what's beyond, you know, what is higher than it uh the absolute. Um and and there's a there's a modicum of repentance you know that you and I have covered in the baselian sense where when the Christ incarnates you know it kind of reveals to the demiurge itself like oh my god there is something higher than me and the demiurge repents you
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 41:13
Relevant chapter: Vice, Virtue, Free Will, and Theurgic Ascent
they talk about how there are hypercosmic and encosmic gods okay and this is all they're They're they're they're they're all related to each other. He says at certain point that um Apollo and Zeus or Apollo and Dionis sort of are are other versions of Zeus and they collapse into him >> you know or you know they they kind of they're they're part of that that that chain of existence which makes sense because Apollo is a solar god and the and Zeus is the demiurge is the craftsman.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 41:51
Relevant chapter: Vice, Virtue, Free Will, and Theurgic Ascent
And the terrestrial body for all intents and purposes of the demiurge is the sun. So, and he talks about Dionus, which I don't think I need to explain. You know, these it's kind of a precursor of the the Christ paradigm. Uh they're collapsible into Zeus. So you could look at the higher aspect of that type of God that that that onlogical chain as being hyper cosmic. And so the anagogic meaning once you get to that level on this deity chain so to speak again it's an analogy once you get to that level they're
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:45:22
Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
uh, you essentially get in the Tus the demi urge who looks to the eternal for the perfected forms upon which he will base his blueprint of reality. The demiurge does. So, and again, we're not talking about an actual [ __ ] being. We're talking about the part the part of the of the one that thinks that that images the the one right toen is the that latent potentiality that is that is >> so within the mind of tohen is this aspect called the demi urge and this is a function >> not even not even within the mind of the
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:46:06
Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
one is the demiurge >> okay the mind of the one so the demiurge a descriptor for the mind of the one. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's like >> and so and >> I always get I always kind of have to re um brush up on this because of like the Sophia and um the demiurge that like I forget how >> well people people have to understand this the demiurge is not a gnostic concept. It's not original to narcissism. the demi urge first appears on the historical record in the time of
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:46:51
Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
Plato. So if he's the one who's first talking about it, >> okay, >> then then then obviously the original [ __ ] meaning changed and that happened really in the middle Platonic Academy, the middle platonists started toying with the idea that maybe the mind of God is [ __ ] up. >> So like >> Okay. And then >> go ahead. when you uh you wrote that article and I you know you said like the divine craftsman or something like that is that are you using that basically as
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:47:21
Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
a another word for the demi urge >> that's what demiurge means >> okay >> demi demiorgos translated into English means craftsman >> okay yeah craftsman >> so um but I use that in the in the fraternal review article for the geometry issue that I did um with uh brother Jerryel and brother Gabe Mason Yeah. >> And many other great writers. Um the the the the reason why I leaned on the meaning of of demiurge is because the masonry is based on that that God is a
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Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
craftsman and we're his builders and and and the idea we call God in masonry the great architect of the universe. It's it's very tyan. It's very platonic. That's why I was leaning I was showing that word so often. It's not just a a a word that I'm invent literally. It's the meaning of the word demiurge. So, so, so because the demiurge thinks things into creation and that's the mind of the one. It's the aspect of the mind, the aspect of the one which is intellective and be
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 1:48:22
Relevant chapter: Plato, the Demiurge, and the Mind of the One
and what that means is it begins to project and isolate these ideas which are abstract. They're universals. They're the they're the essence. They're the roots of the universals. But so, the demiurge doesn't make creation. The demiierge makes the blueprint of creation. And he takes what he calls the circle of or the circuit of the same and the circuit of the different and he >> puts them together like this >> and then the middle the middle nature the third thing emerges from it and he
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