0:00 · Unknown · Intro: evolution, humanity, and creation myths

ready. All right. Wanted to get into ideas around evolution, evolutionary theories, um, humanity, uh, things along these lines. Um I don't know maybe from your personal perspective from an occult perspective some of the different theories and thoughts like generally uh most uh maybe common uh versions of modern Christianity would have the you know the creation myths as they see them to be with Adam being and Eve or created from his rib whatever propagating humans from there. Um, yeah. So, I don't know. I'm just

1:07 · Unknown · Evolutionary theory and human diversity

like, you know, there and then there's the ideas of evolution and things evolved from like bacterias and uh into higher order life forms and then those evolved into higher order life forms and then eventually we got humans and then there's this interesting diversity within the race of people and their different pronounced features, skin color, um, things like this. Uh so I just wonder your personal take on the how humanity came into its modern form. Um uh do you do you view it as something

1:48 · Unknown · Divine influence behind evolution

that was a a long process of things gradually evolving and you know changing and uh ad adapting and coming into our modern form. Do you feel like there was actually some like kind of divine creative energetic influence on these things? Just Yeah. Any of that? >> Well, I I I I don't think anything can happen without divine influence. Not even the existence of evil. >> Good point. >> So, obviously everything is is a product of the divine, >> I guess, including the evolutionary

2:22 · Unknown · The missing link and scientism

theory though, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I believe in evolution. I mean you but there is a missing link you know there's something there that is still unexplained and strict reductionist materialist you know scientists scientismists you know because scientism has become a [ __ ] religion it has embodied the zeal that makes us blind the same way religion did really what that's We're chasing our tails, pointing at things. It's the underlying thing which animates these institutions that we we dislike

3:03 · Unknown · Matter as animated by spirit

and is harmful to us. And that's important when we talk about things like evolution. You have to understand that like you have to begin to think in essences. [ __ ] the material. Think of it like a blanket. Think of all material, all matter is like a blanket. It's that was Platon Platinus' thing is that it's inert. It's dead. Like that blanket. What animates it is like picture a hand moving under the blanket, you know, and forming different kind of shapes and things like that. That's spirit, the

3:34 · Unknown · Matter as animated by spirit

divine, the soul, whatever you want to call it. So yes, of course, evolution can take place, right? Because the spirit is moving underneath the material. You know the animi, the siki cosmu, the soul of the world, the soul of the cosmos is generating this stuff. It's enlivening and organi organizing and reorganizing matter. Um so you have to begin to think that way in terms of parsing this evolution issue. Yes, we evolve. Yes, there is a [ __ ] gigantic gap. And for people who are, you know, strict evolutionists

4:16 · Unknown · Evolution, faith, and unresolved gaps

to deny that gap and to deny sort of like to reject any plausible deniability um at least around that hole is like, well, you're taking a leap of faith the same way the creationist is. You have the same you're you you're you're yelling at each other over the same [ __ ] flaw, you know, except you just feel really smart. uh feel you feel really intelligent, you know, and at the end of the day, you just unfortunately and I'll be I'll happily tell anyone this throughout the course of their

4:51 · Unknown · Evolution, faith, and unresolved gaps

lifetimes, whether they're a [ __ ] guru or a yogi, you're still human. Unfortunately, you're still human and that's all we're going to get. That's as high as it goes in this lifetime. Um but you look around, you're like, "God damn it, man. Are we not miraculous enough to have built these massive buildings, these cities, these systems, this computer I'm talking to you on? I mean, that's miraculous enough for me. Absolutely. Um, but I do believe that evolution was a

5:23 · Unknown · 2001: A Space Odyssey and the rising ape

process by which spirit created human beings. There is definitely some sort of gap. You know, uh, Arthur C. Clark famously wrote about it and and was adapted into Stanley Cubrick movie. Stanley Cubic is my all-time favorite director. Um, this is a 2001 Space Odyssey where that that that the black monolith comes and somehow like energetically radiates evolving these monkeys and they still have the monkey trait in them, right? They're still there. we still have weapons of war the same way we beat each other with bones

6:00 · Unknown · The falling angel meets the rising ape

um in in the opening of that movie which is really important because it goes back to what we were talking about about the lower and higher natures. Now, here is where I really I hear it. It's it's from some sort of media. Your TV either a TV show or a movie, but Miguel Connor, who I spoke to earlier today. Um, he constantly puts this line in his podcast and I love it because it's perfect. The human being is where the falling angel meets the rising. >> I love that. And that's that's the

6:34 · Unknown · The falling angel meets the rising ape

formula that is when I came to my understanding about this stuff years ago. It was not it was not just a reaching up was not just evolution, right? Because you need a dipole for magnetism to take place. It's like that famous painting by Michelangelo on on the the the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel where God is reaching out towards Adam and he's just kind of like whatever, you know, God's like, you know, striving to him with all his might. there are choirs of angels and he's reaching out in this like proto

7:04 · Unknown · The falling angel meets the rising ape

superhero pose and Adam's just like these grapes are cool though you know um but it requires that dipolar attraction so the rising ape meets the fallen falling angel so to speak it's a poetic way of putting it um that's what I believe you know anything scientific to explain that missing link I don't know does it matter I kind of have an understanding of both sides. Do I need anything else? So that that's what I would submit for that. It's a good question. It's a very good question.

7:39 · Unknown · Consciousness evolving with biology

>> Yeah. It's just interesting. I I think it's interesting too like the I because I I more so lean towards the notion of things gradually over time evolving from very small life forms into our modern life form. But I still do think that's divine. And I do think that our, you know, this conscious spirit that we have is an evolved sort of consciousness in that sense maybe. Um, but cuz I I feel like it's it's a toggle sort of though because it's consciousness evolves along with things material

8:20 · Unknown · Human diversity and different states of awareness

materially and biologically. But at the same time within that there are these you know es and flows and dips and rises in different pockets of humans and humanity and even like nowadays we have very modern quote unquote spiritual intellectual societies and groupings and then there's even you know in the Amazon forest is very primitive um individuals and their awareness is in a totally different sort of state. So I think that's interesting. And then also thinking about uh the idea of skin

9:01 · Unknown · Human diversity and different states of awareness

color, you know, darker skinned people. I think theoretically a lot of people believe that it's because of their exposure to the sun in areas of the world, but for me, I don't. That just seems kind of hard to believe, but it's potential. I'm not dismissing it entirely. So, I always wondered about the diversity of races and the interesting features that go along with different um races and things like that. And if there's any interesting thoughts that you might have along those lines or

9:36 · Unknown · Archetypal humanity and pre-physical consciousness

what do you think? >> Well, I definitely think that the prototypical human consciousness was I'll say this was was prephysical. I believe that right there was an archetypal atom. Um, and that >> we whether this is like a system or like a an analogy, I I I don't need it I don't need it to be one or the other. It could be it's both. It's it's it's literally real and also uh symbolically real at the same time. For me, there was an archetypal human being that existed, right? Because I the

10:17 · Unknown · Consciousness beyond the brain

occult magical worldview doesn't say that that consciousness is generated from the physical organ of the brain. As a matter of fact, modern science doesn't even say that. They say that consciousness is an emergent property. That's the academic verbiage, which is to say that we don't [ __ ] know anything about it. We can map it, but it's like there are these really there are difficult sort of things because it's basically like if you were standing on top of a building that had like a glass roof and you

10:46 · Unknown · Consciousness beyond the brain

um were shining a light down inside to let somebody know where you were and then that person was shining a light at you. You could see vaguely where that light was hitting from below on the glass, but you couldn't pinpoint where exactly they were down there. And that's kind of the way, you know, neurological mapping works. We can't really see, we can't really pinpoint. So we say well con because even if we could right you're dissecting all these different parts of the mind but how that doesn't explain how

11:19 · Unknown · Plato’s tripartite soul and human unity

consciousness is a holistic unity is able to function and go to the [ __ ] bathroom and talk on microphones and you know make art and and build houses. It doesn't explain that and it can't never will. But they say consciousness is an emergent property very vague not saying anything about it. Well, in the magical worldview, the brain is the physical house housing of consciousness. There's a different kind of consciousness that resides in the heart. Science agrees with that, right? We have the SA node,

11:48 · Unknown · Plato’s tripartite soul and human unity

which is it's its own electrical system. Um, you know, and there's and there's an even more, you know, we go back to the Plato's tripartite division of the soul. you know the appetitive resides in the gut the belly you know the spirited in the heart the rational in the in the head you know that those are the three uh I don't know if I if I delineated them or if I got sidetracked earlier but it's the appetite of the r the spirited and the rational so I definitely believe that humanity as

12:18 · Unknown · Collective consciousness and fragmentation

a whole was a unity and part of the quote unquote fall is that unity's fragmentation into these individual sort of that's why we're linked to the the collective subconscious, you know, that that that accashic record, that group astral, because we really are one consciousness. That's kind of why whatever programming is happening to people right now is happening to all of us. Even if you live in a [ __ ] woods like I do and you don't watch TV and you, you know, you're doing all this

12:47 · Unknown · Collective consciousness and fragmentation

other meditative stuff, you're still being affected. You're going to find that your behaviors are still sliding down the slope. You might be the last in the herd, but you you cannot avoid. It's an irresistible gravity, an irresistible weight that's pulling you from a a collective realm because we truly are that unified, you know, uh um soul consciousness, but we we we appear fragmented here. But we have to behave that way. We cannot be you know you you have to you have to live according to

13:22 · Unknown · Theosophy, root races, and problematic speculation

the laws of duality with unity in mind. That's how you that's the formula. But um so in terms of different races, we get into hairy territory when we when we start reading like the the theosophical stuff, you know, um she talks about the, you know, Helena Blavatzki and and her quote unquote successors, talk a lot about the five root races, the Lemurans, the Atlanteanss, and this is all quote unquote channelneled stuff. So it's like, should she have been writing about this? probably the [ __ ] not. You know,

14:00 · Unknown · Theosophy, root races, and problematic speculation

this is in this way, this is when like spirituality can kind of inflate the ego to the point where like, you know, the road to hell becomes paved with good intentions. This, you know, this kind of stuff is for you because it's not you've got people now talking about like the Lemuranss and stuff like that because it was channeled again and like the raw material and all this stuff. It's like you don't [ __ ] know. We have no idea. And here's a better question. Does it matter? No. Let's suffice. It doesn't

14:27 · Unknown · Lost civilizations and the real underlying issue

matter what you call them. You can call them the Muppets. Okay? But we know that there's some race of people, some some big chunk of history that was removed and thrown away and not, you know, hidden completely a cult from us. We don't have to go into like whether or not these people could communicate telepathically or whether they destroyed themselves by a crystalline technology. Doesn't [ __ ] mean anything because at the end of the day, the thing that it doesn't matter the physical essence of

14:54 · Unknown · Lost civilizations and the real underlying issue

of of who they are, what they look like, what they did, it's the same faulty [ __ ] interface no matter what. If you do it with a gun, if you do it with crystals, if you do it with a nuclear bomb, you don't destroy the world because the nuclear bomb exists. You destroy the world because there's something [ __ ] wrong with you. And that's that's usually, you know, consistent. That's not we're not dealing with any new problems. So um you know as far as pigmentation of the

15:29 · Unknown · Group souls, epochs, and race theories

skin goes I mean yeah I could get behind the idea that it had something to do with that but uh there are other traits like you're saying that appear to be more than egregor they right egregor are national I believe in a group soul there and and actually this is this is something that is valid I think from those teachings that that those those root races have have group souls and now we're not talking about black you know, uh, African, uh, uh, indigenous, Native American, you know, Asian. That's not what we're talking

16:02 · Unknown · Group souls, epochs, and race theories

about necessarily. What we're talking about is epochs of people and the group soul, they all come in together type of thing. um in this in this epoch. So for a certain level of evolution, for a certain level of work um that I can I can kind of get behind again both literally and symbolically, right? I don't need I don't need it to be one or the other, right? Linear thinking is if anything is is what we're talking about that that root cause. It's the be linear like strictly rational linear thinking

16:38 · Unknown · Consecutive falls away from the divine

that mechanistic hyperrational thinking that is the gateway to that whole problem that we keep seeing you know you need a holism and I think people were were formerly inherently whole before um before you know here's an interesting thing and I'll finish on this according to like the writings of Pasquali and his treatis on the reintegration of being and certain other things that I have read there wasn't one fall there were there are consecutive falls where we get further and further away

17:17 · Unknown · Consecutive falls away from the divine

from the divine even in the material that's happening right now that's happening right now virtual reality will be a second fall postmodernism or you know eenth fall uh postmodernism is a fall scientific reductionism is a fall. We're getting further and further away from being able to perceive truth. >> Definitely. Um, humans and their consciousness expansion um the field that they emanate like morphic field or these psychic potent fields potentially. Do you think that there are

17:58 · Unknown · Potent consciousness and spiritual influence

um individuals that can generate such a potent state of being or consciousness to where it can radiate out at a distance to a large like a a lot more so than other individuals? Can a individual develop themselves to be sort of a channel of a particular consciousness that then when other individuals are in the presence of them, it can sort of leak into or um cross over and affect other individuals. >> Yes. 110,000%. And that's the purpose of becoming a hieropphant, right? Is if you're not a

18:53 · Unknown · The hierophant as a channel of initiation

hieropphant, unless you're doing that, meeting you should be a species of initiation, listening to you speak, reading something you wrote, looking at a piece of your art. If you're a true, if you're a hierofant in word and in word and deed, you should be a species of alchemical initiation. Um I think some people are born with more of that field as you put it and I think that it's it's definitely possible to to train it you know um so that you have a broader signal for the reach.

19:30 · Unknown · Mystery schools and developing spiritual gifts

Um, it's a certain jiniqua though, you know, like it's not again it's I think I think the mystery schools are there to are nets to catch people who have this talent and and and hopefully develop it to the apex that that it can be developed. I think Christ, I think, you know, Guatama, you know, Sedarta, Buddha, I think, you know, many prophets, teachers, sages have have done exactly that because then otherwise, how is it Plato? Why is it that there's one [ __ ] teacher that everybody gravitates around and we're

20:16 · Unknown · Teachers as broadcast towers for higher consciousness

talking about this [ __ ] 1,00 2,00 2500 years later, you know, because they allowed themselves to become channels and they use their mundane sphere as sort of a a broadcast tower. I'm a cell tower to broadcast the message I'm getting. And I'm using everything I've got. I'm using my talents. I'm using my weaknesses. I'm using the strong parts of my personality, but I'm not doing it consciously. All I'm doing is kind of I guess Campbell would call it either following your bliss or like you know

20:50 · Unknown · Teachers as broadcast towers for higher consciousness

Christians call it like you know letting God take the wheel. It's a very strange thing to try and kind of explain because it's like you're here in this body but you're speaking information is pouring into you faster than you can speak it. And that's it's not coming from your brain. You're not that's your consciousness is not doing that. Your consciousness is attempting to find words that are that can express these images, these these feelings. You know, a lot of times you'll find that

21:21 · Unknown · Analogy, parables, and expressing the ineffable

analogy is really strong with people who are like this because I have to find a way to analogize what I'm seeing because it's beyond words. I have to make an analogy because there's nothing I could tell you intellectually that that will express this. And here you can you see you know spiritual teachers. Hold on. Sorry. >> No worries. >> Some idiots peacocking down Broadway on a uh on a chopper which make a lot of noise. >> Got a lot. >> But you see you see spiritual teachers a

21:56 · Unknown · Analogy, parables, and expressing the ineffable

lot of the time like you know the ultimate uh in our historical record they talk comparables right? It's the same thing. They're just analogies. >> Um, do you think there's like humans out there that, you know, say they maybe they live in like a mountain, some ex, you know, some some extreme highle advanced sort of consciousness and awareness that, but maybe they're reclusive and unknown to the people around them. Um, but do you think that it's a possibility that they their

22:32 · Unknown · Ascended masters and reclusive adepts

state of being could have an effect on like a small population? >> Um, I def well that's the whole idea behind the quote unquote ascended masters, right, of Bllovzky and of of the Golden Dawn, Anna Kingsford, uh, Sam Mathers. They all believed in these [ __ ] adepts who were just the the the the quintessential ascended master. Um because they were they were all being influenced by these ideas from the east, you know, from the vadic traditions in India and Tibet and things like that were just starting to really come

23:08 · Unknown · Ascended masters and reclusive adepts

through again into the west. And there's this conception of, you know, even even like the seven dowist immortals who walk away from the world, you know, heartsick at its ways to go live on mountain toughs. Um, I would say that if they if there are people that do that, because it is a trope, um, that they're not doing a [ __ ] great job. So, unless they're dark, then they're doing >> chefs. But, um, I I I'm not certain that there are people who can sway an entire population just by sitting in a room

23:42 · Unknown · Ritual, physical action, and occult law

alone. I think that there is an occult law um in operation in the in the the the the workings the mechanism of the physical universe the wheelwork if you want to call it that that requires you to do some physical act that's the rationale as I was saying earlier behind ritual yeah you can do plenty of things with your mind but it's not going to be as good it's not going to be as permanent as effective as if you if you do something material even if it's the knock so won't it You know what I'm

24:13 · Unknown · Ritual, physical action, and occult law

saying? Like there has to be something with physical intentionality behind it. Um, a word could do it, but uh, large groups of population, I'm not sure. There's there are other ways to influence people. Um, you know, maybe like a small town or something like that. And it's easier. It's so this is one of the things that's brilliant about the about about the Star Wars trilogy, the original trilogy when Luke is training and I say this all the time to people. I'm going to write a [ __ ] book on it. Um, and

24:46 · Unknown · Yoda, Star Wars, and the dark side

if you take my idea, I will curse you. No, I'm kidding. Um, but uh everything that I needed to know about spirituality comes out of the mouth of a little green puppet named Yoda. Everything. the further along I get, the the more I realize like, oh my god, they put everything into Yoda, everything. Um, so he says, Luke asks him, "Is the dark side more powerful?" And he says, "No, easier, more seductive." And that's that's using a a kind of dark manipulative energy will more easily

25:23 · Unknown · Egregores, fear, and influencing groups

influence people, you know, that kind of whole uh Frankenstein's monster thing, you know, where it's like the town is like uneasy and ominous feeling and and and that's how witch hunts and things like that. So if you're able to generate and it's typically a quicker stronger at first whirlpool of of or vortex uh chakra gal whatever language you want to use but this spinning wheel of energy um to essentially build an egregor but at a certain point it's going to do its own thing. it'll be characterized with

26:00 · Unknown · Egregores, fear, and influencing groups

whatever intentionality you put into it, right? Because if it's fear and it makes people scared, that's only going to snowball. Um, so in that way, you could I could see how a relatively small population could be affected. But I think that there has to be some kind of physicality to it, even if it's minute. >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And and I don't know if it's if it's people or constellations in relation in relation to positions of the earth, uh energies of geographical locations. I know that

26:36 · Unknown · Geographic consciousness and New Mexico

we talked a little bit about this sort of thing in a podcast we did with Mark, but it's definitely seems like in certain areas there's just a different quality to the air and the consciousness. Um, and you know, I've got I've got a lot of friends that I've made um in New Mexico and a lot of people I've talked to in New Mexico, in certain parts of New Mexico, doing podcasts with them or just learning and listening to their different stories. And it just seems like there's

27:06 · Unknown · Geographic consciousness and New Mexico

definitely a whirlpool or a vortex of some kind that is very distinct and stands out um among a lot of other locations that and maybe it just be my sphere of awareness, but it's like there's something there that has this particular quality to it that it's almost like the veil is a little bit thinner or I don't know what it is or what to make of it, but it it that's kind of like one of the things that I was thinking about when I was asking you these questions. It just kind of

27:46 · Unknown · Vortices, thin veils, and sacred locations

it's fascinating to me. >> Yeah. I mean, I agree with that. But it's I I I'm sitting right now as we speak in Asheville where there there people believe there to be vortices all over this [ __ ] place. And uh you know in a couple of weeks as you know I'm coming out there and we're going to Sedona where there's apparently a vortex. >> I love >> there's definitely definitely something you know. Yeah I love talking about it with Mark Steve on his on that tripod that we did. Um there

28:16 · Unknown · Asheville, Sedona, and terrestrial chakras

is definitely some kind of terrestrial meridian or you know a terrestrial acupoint right that's what we call it chakras terrestrial chakra. It just means wheel. Gal is the the the Hebrew term for that spinning vortex. But the thing is it's a little bit of both, right? It it definitely I think is affected by the astrology or is at least more sensitive to whatever is happening uh uh in a certain area based on a planetary correspondence or some sort of constellation or what have you. But it also is kind of in this feedback loop

28:57 · Unknown · Asheville, Sedona, and terrestrial chakras

of people. So for instance, there's a big vortex here. The type of lifestyle and person that it gravitates towards a place like Asheville historically has been someone who is healing. Someone who is in need of healing or is on a healing trajectory. For instance, this town was built up by the Vanderbilts as uh a lot of people here know that the reason why the reason why they found it is because it was home to this physician named Dr. Batl. I believe it's it's spelled B A T O L or B- A T O L something to that

29:38 · Unknown · Asheville as a healing center

effect. And he was somebody that people would see for um uh pneumatic issues. And so I believe it was George Vanderbilt. I I forget Cornelius's son, but his mother had issues with with breathing um and and uh you know, pneumatic issues. So, they brought her here to this specialist and she fully recovered and she loved living in these mountains and they built a whole, you know, they built a castle here, you know, the Builtmore and then they built a little slave town for their workers. Um but built more

30:17 · Unknown · Asheville as a healing center

village Ever since then, this is a place where body work therapy um energetic body work like Reiki, Chiong therapy, acupuncture is huge here. Uh it's a place where people aren't just bohemian, they're spiritual and they come here and practice all these different healing modalities and consequently bring it attracts people that are in need of healing. like they come here to heal. Um same as me, right? I mean, I came here just like when I really started. I mean, I was struggling in my recovery journey,

30:56 · Unknown · Synchronicity, Reiki, and Golden Dawn in Asheville

you know, even still when I got here and I came here to heal as well and to learn things. I didn't know that was my part of my intentionality, but I was brought here and and that has it has continued this trajectory. And not only that, but I'm someone who can heal, right? I did I I I was uh Like, not to pat myself on the back, it's just the it's just the truth. I was very very naturally disposed to something like Reiki and energy work. I can feel it. I can see it. I can move it. I can teach other

31:27 · Unknown · Synchronicity, Reiki, and Golden Dawn in Asheville

people how to do that. Um and and so I was very quickly picked up Reiki. I went into massage and body work, uh Chiong Chiong therapy, did that regularly. And then acupuncture, chi theory, meridian theory, all that stuff. and I ended up here against all odds. I mean, if I told you the story, it's just kind of like, how the hell did that happen? You know, also, I had no idea when I was thinking about Asheville. I reached out to Tabby and I said, "Hey, I might be moving to North Carolina. Is

31:59 · Unknown · Synchronicity, Reiki, and Golden Dawn in Asheville

there a Golden Dawn Temple down there? I'm pretty sure there is. I'm going to be in Asheville. Where are they?" She said, "Well, they're in Asheville." So, it's it's these synchronicities. They draw us. They draw us here that we're drawn here by these energies when they're powerful. So I don't think it's just one or the other. It's the combination of everything, you know, uh because that essentially the type of people that are drawn there are going to

32:23 · Unknown · The shadow side of healing communities

affect the group agre it's not always like people want to think about this healing haven in the mountains. Like this place is a [ __ ] nightmare because it's a bunch of sick damaged [ __ ] people like walking around a mental ward like trying not to bump into each other and lose their [ __ ] you know? just know it's there there's definitely a downside to broken fragile people. Um and another issue is that you get stuck in these it's like you the healing modality becomes an end

32:54 · Unknown · The shadow side of healing communities

in itself instead of a means to an end. So it's it's almost like being a dry drunk. I don't drink anymore but my behaviors are still the same. I'm still leaning on things. I'm still not replacing old habits with good habits. I'm still, you know, using something, whether it's cigarettes or food as an addiction and not doing the steps and all that stuff. And it's kind of the same thing here. Like people will go and stretch and do Bickram yoga and and you know, go to go to the salt caverns and

33:22 · Unknown · The shadow side of healing communities

do uh acupuncture and then like freak out on you uh you know, like online at Whole Foods um for like not giving them their seveninch bubble. You're in my space. you know, it's just kind of like those people are like [ __ ] fragile. So, it's not it's not like healing is is dirty. It's down. It's rough, you know? So, that that's kind of what my experience of Asheville has been. A lot of people who are in the process of healing that don't necessarily look forward to a day when they are healed um

33:54 · Unknown · Nostradamus and prophetic traditions

but are have come to espouse a lifestyle in which they remain perpetually broken but are constantly seeking the healing. >> Yeah, that's so fascinating. I love that stuff. All right. Uh uh this is somebody that I don't know very much about, but I've heard the name often. Nostradamus. Uh I was in the kind of like metaphysical book section at the bookstore a couple weeks ago and there's just tons like a whole shelf almost full of noamis books and so there's obviously a lot to this guy. Um I just thought it

34:38 · Unknown · Nostradamus and prophetic traditions

would be interesting. I don't know if you have any interesting takes or thoughts in regards to Nostradamus. I believe he was a prophet of some sort. Um, but yeah, I wanted to ask you about him. >> I guess he's one of those guys that like when you first start like turning your So, you grow up in this western historic paradigm and you're taught about certain things and then like you'll kind of hear about Nostradamus in like a dark corner and not much is said about him and then

35:02 · Unknown · Nostradamus, Hitler, and prophecy books

maybe you'll go to like the clearance section in Barnes & Noble and of course there's a do there's a book that's been marked down from $30 to like four with, you know, the prophecies of Nostradamus. Um, and so that was kind of my entree to him. I did read sort of like transcriptions and descriptions of his prophecies. The whole thing with like he predicted Hitler, but he called him and all that stuff. What we don't I don't really know about any potential occult training with

35:36 · Unknown · Edgar Cayce and trance prophecy

Nostradamus. And I'm not, you know, like him and Edgar Casey, they they fascinated me. The idea of prophecy fascinated me, but it's like there's not like I I am an observer to that kind of behavior. I there's nothing there within their, you know, like I look at Nostradamus and I want to know more about how he did it and there's nothing to tell me. Um Edgar Casey, you know, he said anybody can do this. I mean, he discovered his powers by laying down after like yard work or something like

36:09 · Unknown · Edgar Cayce and trance prophecy

that. Um, and he went and he fell as he thought he fell asleep on his couch, but he went into trance. And that was his method for the rest of his life was to lay down on the couch. And he had sitting American presidents come and visit him and he would lay down on his couch and and tell them, you know, what was up, what was going to happen. He'd go into trans and he'd have that stuff transcribed for him by like a secretary or or maybe his wife. I can't really remember. Um, because he wouldn't

36:34 · Unknown · Nostradamus as apothecary and astrologer

remember any of it. Nostradamus is you know you we have his prophecies and I just I remember at the time more things could have been written about him since then but I kind of lost interest but at the time I wasn't really there was his prophecies and then I didn't know anything about now it's kind of like you understand that he was an apothecary right so he was practicing you know some sort of uh herbal preparation perhaps um derivative of galinic medicine perhaps derivative of paracelian spajeria perhaps a derivative

37:07 · Unknown · Nostradamus as apothecary and astrologer

of who knows something going on in those those continental European traditions of of herbal folk healing but he was he was an astrologer as well and that's a kind of divination as well you know astrological prophecy really divination um prophecy and divination are different but he also held the prophetic um and they're different because they work on different parts of the psychic organism uh but but he he did also have that gift of prophecy where he would, you know, I don't know what his methods

37:39 · Unknown · Prophecy as spiritual development

were. Was he scrying? Was it transbased? I'm not certain, but a lot of it is pretty fascinating. Um, but I think my interest lies more in like, okay, how do I do that? >> Not for the world, not for everybody. How do I work? How do I work on being able to do that? Because I view that as a kind of spiritual evolution, you know? Um, I view that as a kind of spiritual psychic development. I don't I would not pursue that as the end. I don't want to just be able to like sit sit here with a [ __ ] turban on and

38:15 · Unknown · Prophecy as spiritual development

tell you what your future's going to be. You know, it's it's just who wants to be stuck in that, right? Because you're some a lot of times you're delivering bad news. Um, but I wanted to see I think he's a good entry point for people who deep down know something else exists but don't know kind of you know how to approach it. you know, a lot of a lot of mundane history portrays. They take the most convincing people like Anton Mesmer and uh you know, people like um Rudolph

38:53 · Unknown · Forgotten occult figures and Anton Mesmer

Steiner, they take the most convincing examples of that stuff and they [ __ ] throw them in the garbage. You never hear about them. Mhm. >> You never you never learn about the massive massive impact these people have had on all of Western history because they did and uh you don't hear about it. So you've got Nostradamus who's a nice kind of like entry point I think. But again, you know, Mesmer had a method. He taught lots of people how to do that. He was, you know, he was a celebrity. He

39:25 · Unknown · Forgotten occult figures and Anton Mesmer

was a living legend. He created the idea of animal magnetism. He created what we understand to be hypnotism. You know, he he like nobody knows. He's become his name is incorporated into our lexicon. I was mesmerized. >> Yeah. >> You know, you don't know who he who the [ __ ] he is. And that's because he gave a method. So, they threw it the [ __ ] out. They don't want you doing that [ __ ] Um, but I spent a lot of time studying this. Um, there are still colleges. Some of

39:53 · Unknown · Forgotten occult figures and Anton Mesmer

his stuff is kind of like retained in polarity therapy, which is really cool. Um but but I think like people like Nostradamus were I mean look I could somebody could be listening to this right now and be like no no no there's like lots of there's lots of stuff other than his quattrains he knew forgive me I I'm spend more of my time researching other things but um I think my initial kind of like being like having to put that down was because like okay I want to do this now you know that that's the

40:28 · Unknown · Cabala and tarot correspondences

difference between most magicians and other people, you know, like I want to do this, too. >> Definitely. All right. Well, I got to pee real quick and I'll be right back. >> Okay. >> All right. Back. Okay. Um, so I wanted to ask you about the Cabala and the tarot. And I've seen some like images here and there of like tarot tarot cards corresponding to like specific paths on the tree. Um, and I was just curious to ask you about that. Uh, why that is and what could be understood from this and how the

41:09 · Unknown · Tarot paths on the Tree of Life

cobalistic paths may relate to the tarot. >> Yeah, that's a good question. Um so that is obviously the hermetic cabala and the hermetic tarot. Um these correspondences really began to be played with by Antoine Devolon and Atelier. Uh was um I think his name was Joseph Aliott. Uh it was he went under a pen name that was his last name backwards however it was. you start to see this hermetic attribution to the tarot cards uh you know triumph uh during the 1700s by a couple of French guys um and the really

41:57 · Unknown · French origins of hermetic tarot

it was cable who uh who kind of intuited that first he claims that it's an insight that he received uh that as soon as he laid eyes upon this thing he kind of intuited that it was um a vestage of Egyptian kind of knowledge that got transferred over. Um but uh it ends up getting uh placed onto the tree of life uh really firmly seriously by the hermetic order of the golden dawn and their work with the the uh within the hermetic cabala and hermetic tarot in order to system systematize a a holistic system of uh

42:44 · Unknown · Sephirot, paths, and archetypal experience

really pathworking working the tree of life. You have the the the sephirot the which are the sort of passive elements. They are the essential underpinnings the um I guess the maybe unconscious dream material of God. uh and then you have the the naan which are the paths and those connect the the sepirod right so they they're going to be a blend um of those two experiences or of those two essences that are going to culminate in a specific experience that's the whole thing about the paths they're

43:20 · Unknown · Sephirot, paths, and archetypal experience

experiential whereas the sepirods are archetypal um uh they're identified the pads are identified with the trump cards and therefore that's why you they work in a reading to be able to tell you what kind of experience, what kind of energies you're going to encounter. Um, but some people can say it's arbitrary. Um, I happen to think that anything that you do on the astral should have some kind of uh structure to it, some kind of order because there's so much that can go wrong. It's the wild

43:56 · Unknown · Astral pathworking and symbolic structure

west. It is an uncharted frontier. So, and it has no inherent organization. you organize it yourself. Um the thing is that it's certain things or realms can be perceived even though they are non-physical. They can take shapes in the human mind. This is what I love about David Hen Smith. He he says what he does is um sort of uh esoteric cgraphy which is a very interesting concept to me. uh you know and the thing is there is this kind of archetypal universal quality to his his drawings his renderings his his um his maps um

44:33 · Unknown · Esoteric cartography and David Chaim Smith

you know but again he's also using a symbol system to interpret that right because he even he says it it's not this is not what I'm actually seeing I'm trying to interpret the things that I'm intuiting or encountering um and it's the same thing with the tree of life you're using a symbolic holistic alphabet so that you have reliable information that you can glean from this stuff. You know, a lot of pathworking and scrying is like yes, they're transformative, but a lot of it at like

45:01 · Unknown · Pathworking as information scouting

higher levels is almost like information scouting, right? It's it's almost like an expedition to find some truth, some information about this uh object, thing, experience, archetype, uh quadrant of of unseen reality. And so you're going to have you have a lot of unconscious material which is you know you could have some [ __ ] affinity to Sesame Street and all of a sudden big birds in the middle of your path working and it's like oh wait it's wonderful to see you but what are you doing here? And so

45:32 · Unknown · Symbolic alphabets and dream interpretation

that's going to obscure your ability to make sense of that information because the image is personal to you. Right? And one of the things that that Freud insisted, which I think is [ __ ] but he's mostly right, uh, at least for the uninitiated person, he says that the interpretation of the dream cannot happen by the dreamer. You're too close. You're too in it. There are things surrounding this image that you cannot admit to yourself. Your conscious mind can't handle it. So outsource those

46:04 · Unknown · Symbolic alphabets and dream interpretation

images to a reliable symbolic alphabet and they will work every time for you. But you have to entrain them. That's part of the process of the outer order of the Golden Dawn is training the vocabulary into your psyche so that it is first nature. Yeah. Badass. All right. Um, time travel and magic. Uh, have you ever come across any compelling examples of intentional time travel in any magical circles or with particular individuals or anything that you've heard of? Um, is this like a thing people say that this

46:44 · Unknown · Time travel and magic

>> absolutely there's past life regression exercises that you're given at a stage in the golden dawn. There's uh remote viewing, astral travel. Uh you know, even in Reiki circles, there's things like distance healing to the past. Um this was a big thing also around like early 20th century occultists like Dion Fortune and things like that. Send healing energy to this place that point in time, etc. Um but the the thing for me is that I I don't time only exists in the material realm and it doesn't exist

47:16 · Unknown · Time, space, and change

in the way in which we so time is we think of time as really concrete because we put a [ __ ] clock on the wall. It means [ __ ] It means dick. It's telling me where the sun is. Okay, that's not time. Um the thing is with time it's it's this bracket term that we use to be able to make sense of change, right? That's the the apparent necessity of time is is in the fact that I was over there. Now I'm over here. I used to look like this. I now look like this. Uh so that is more a phenomenon of of um

47:52 · Unknown · Time, space, and change

that's why time and space are linked. If there's no space, there can't be any time because there can't be any change. Um, but these are largely like really abstract con constructs and concepts that don't behave the way we think they do. We've organized them for practical use, but at the end of the day, you can't move backwards or forward in time. As a unit of measurement, right, which is change. It's a unit of measurement for change. um as a unit of measurement, it's an anomaly because I I can go I can

48:26 · Unknown · The ever-present now

take my tape measure and I can pull it out further or I can pull it back less. You can't do that with time. You can only be where the [ __ ] you are. Okay? So, even if you're like, "Well, I'm in the future now." No, you're not. It's your mind remembering that there even was a past. But you're always here. You're always in the everpresent now. So linear, there's no such thing as linear time. Time doesn't [ __ ] exist. I got news for you. But the thing is

48:51 · Unknown · Akashic record and collective memory

consciousness does and consciousness is the repository of all timelines um of all happenings of all change. Uh we refer to the collective unconscious as and even the personal subcon unconscious which is our doorway to the collective unconscious the accashic realm. It's this little tape recorder in a dark room and it doesn't it's all it does is it's just on play all the time. It's recording everything that happens ever. Um and there's a collective and there's even you know uh like a world soul version of

49:28 · Unknown · Astral echoes and haunting phenomena

this. But um so if that's if time travel is happening what what you'll notice is that they're not really changing anything. Um, a lot of times people will go into like what's called sort of like a resonance or an echo. And this is true of like, you know, certain certain um, uh, like I don't want to say poltergeist, but like haunting phenomenons where like at a certain time of night every year, it's like this and this is this is true. I I forget where it is. Might be like Bath and Lind, but

50:00 · Unknown · Astral echoes and haunting phenomena

there's a certain spot where like you can hear the footsteps of like the Roman legion walking through the town, but there's no variation. It's like this echo, this astral echo, this oretheric echo. And I think a lot of times we are peering into the the the echo, the astral echo of uh the past by tapping into the the the the larger pool of consciousness that witnesses everything. Um, one of the most and I was talking about this with Miguel Connor about how like for a long time I took a break from reading non-fiction

50:32 · Unknown · Fiction, nonlinear time, and Slaughterhouse-Five

and it was in starting to read fiction particularly science fiction that my mind was blown open. So things like the Val trilogy I learned about nasticism and kind of like these weird this weird cyclical nature of time. But in the slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonagget he talks about these alien beings and they can read time like a book because time's nonlinear to them. We experience it as linear and they don't understand that. But really everything that has ever happened or ever will happening is

51:00 · Unknown · Dion Fortune quote on the green ray

happening now. >> I love it. Sweet. Okay. Um, Dion Fortune, I'll read a quote by her that I thought was cool. The green ray. The green ray is essentially the ray of the artist. For it is the subconscious or astral mind which is the creative factor in the arts and according to the propagation of this mentation which prevails in the degree of inspiration. Technique is of the conscious human mind. But the true creative artistic impulse is of the ancient astral mind of the race which lies hidden below the

51:41 · Unknown · Dion Fortune as teacher from beyond the grave

threshold of the superimposed consciousness. I thought that was cool. So I just want to read that. Um so maybe give a brief background on her and then maybe elaborate on maybe some of >> what you think are some of the highlights of her work or things that you find particularly interesting. I I would love to eventually do a like a full episode on her because there's so much. But um Dion Fortune is one of my teachers from Beyond the Grave. That's how I I'm That's not me saying like I'm

52:10 · Unknown · Dion Fortune as teacher from beyond the grave

in touch with her. No, I'm just saying from reading her works. There's definitely been some kind of I don't know interchange. She's blown my mind wide open. It's like I had waited my whole lifetime to read her books. Um and it's primarily the fiction It's the fiction and she says it herself. She says the theory is in her her theoretical books obviously but the working out the practical work of how it works is in in her fiction and there's a way to read her fiction corresponding to

52:43 · Unknown · Reading Dion Fortune through the Tree of Life

the sephiroth of the middle pillar of the tree of life and I did this and I I read I think 21 of her books um in like two or three years and she is one of the most she's one of the most gifted obviously some of her opinions and things like that were influenced by the mores of her time. We got to forgive people that, right? Because God knows how we're going to [ __ ] look in a hundred years. We think what we do right now is okay, but in a hundred years, it might not be the case. So, um, there's

53:14 · Unknown · Visiting Dion Fortune’s grave

something to learn from everybody, most especially for Dion Fortune. So, uh, actually, I got the chance to go over to Glastonbury and Glastonbury tour and visit the Chalice Flowing Gardens and her old house there at the bottom of the hill. and I visited her grave and I wept and I had no idea that that was going to happen. I just became overwhelmed and uh I felt like you know she had given me so much and I had nothing to give her. So I had this ring this night templar ring and I I just took it off and I buried it

53:44 · Unknown · Visiting Dion Fortune’s grave

right there um like maybe six inches next deep right next to her headstone. So that's how much of a fan I am of Dion Fortune. She got involved in a cultism fairly early. She was initiated into the or order Alpha at Omega that was I believe uh well I believe she was yeah she definitely in the Alpha Omega because what happened was she buted heads with Moa Mats. So Moya Mats and and Sam Mats obviously Sam Mathers one of the three founding members of the Golden Dawn uh hermetic order of the Golden Dawn with Win Wescott and William

54:18 · Unknown · Golden Dawn, Mathers, and Stella Matutina

Robert Woodman in London. his wife was the first kind of guinea pig of everything. She was also the the the visionary intuitive uh sort of genius of the group. Um so there was a split around the early 1900s. The two of them, the Matses moved to Paris. they, you know, the adepts of of the hermetic order, the golden dawn in London kept that name uh and then eventually started over under uh the Stella Matutina under uh Robert Falcon who was another one of those adepts and that's kind of how the

54:52 · Unknown · Golden Dawn, Mathers, and Stella Matutina

Golden Dawn proliferated through time was through the Stella Matutina. That's the lineage that Israel regurgy went through. Um but the alpha at Omega was the brand of hermetic order of the Golden Dawn that the Mathers took with them to France, Paris namely. Uh so uh de Dion Fortune whose real name was Violet uh Violet Marie FTH. Um she took the name of her uh her family coat of arms. They had a motto deo nonfortuna meaning God not fate. Uh which I love. I get chills every time I I even say that. But uh so

55:29 · Unknown · The Cosmic Doctrine and theosophical influence

she she was initiated she chneled this thing. It was very theosophical, very kind of like protoscientific, pseudocientific, right? Because at that time at that time there were all these different intellectual movements, scientism uh there was a reemergence of hermitism there was you know uh the inklings of what would become new thought theosophy all vying for the public discourse and and I very clear right it's find end of the of the era 18 late 1800s uh continental Europe there everybody can sense that you know orders

56:04 · Unknown · The Cosmic Doctrine and theosophical influence

of magnitude of change is about to happen and they all want to, you know, be a part of it and influence it. And so, um, there are all these different vernaculars and we look back at a lot of theosophical writing and just roll our [ __ ] eyes. You know, they're trying to shoehorn this new, it was new at the time, this new newly formed scientific jargon into spirituality. And some some of it's just not, it's never going to be consent with each other. Um, but so Dion Fortune channeled quote unquote this

56:36 · Unknown · The Cosmic Doctrine and theosophical influence

work that was um released later in life. I I'm pretty sure it was postumously. I'm not certain, but it's called the cosmic doctrine. And it was her sort of chneled version of the mechanism of all physical creation. But she used a lot of those scientific or non-scientific buzzwords at the time along with, you know, interpolations of like ancient Greek neoplatonic words and things like that, you know, like loy and things like this. And so it was a real hodgepodge. And she brought it to Moa Mats and and

57:08 · Unknown · Dion Fortune vs Moina Mathers

she said, "What did you what do you think?" And Moya Mathers said, "Get this out of my face." And so from then on they kind of had this adversarial relationship. The unfortunate went on to claim that Moy Mathers like psychically attacked her in a night but it ended up that she went off and did her own thing. Um she started the servants of the inner light or I think actually it was fraternity of the inner light when she started it up. She took Golden Dawn teachings and kind of applied them to

57:33 · Unknown · Fraternity of the Inner Light and Avalon

this Arthuran thing. So what we've got in in in our current discussion, believe it or not, is this constant and this is this has become true the more that we've done this, you and I, there is an underlying there are through lines here that are unintentional. Um, but she believed in that whole root race theory. And one of the things that she said is that a practitioner should identify their ethnic heritage and then move to that place to do that work. And if they that is impracticable then do that work

58:05 · Unknown · Fraternity of the Inner Light and Avalon

elsewhere in a place that is similar to it. So if you're of this kind of Norse German lineage move to that location and practice those rights. Um that was her thing and you know she conceptualizes to be rays as well which is that is straight out of the um but uh so she moved to Glastonbury which was what you know lore dictated that Glastonbury is the former Avalon where King Arthur was buried right and um and so she connected with her roots there started the the fraternity of the inner And she trained people like uh

58:46 · Unknown · Gareth Knight and the Society of the Inner Light

Butler and um uh [ __ ] I forget his name. Not Kenneth Grant. Um >> and when you say Butler, is that Butler Yates? >> No. Uh William Butler Yates was um an original member of the Hermetic Order of the Gold Done. I'm talking about We Butler. I don't know like his full name. I think it's like something Ernest Butler. Um, and then it was her most famous student, and it's just escaping me right now because I've been doing podcasts for four hours. Uh, I forget his name, but he

59:24 · Unknown · Gareth Knight and the Society of the Inner Light

co-authored The Circuit of Force with her. Uh, essentially he took his, um, Gareth Knight. >> Gareth Knight. I'm thinking Kenneth Grant, right? KG. >> Yeah, >> I know that wasn't him. It's GK. Gareth Knight. And that's that's another pseudonym. That wasn't his real name. I think his name was like Basil or something like that. But he he um he was like one of her premier students. He took he took over the the servant or fraternity of the inner light. I think

59:53 · Unknown · The Mystical Qabalah as essential reading

it became society of the inner light at a certain point. Um Dolores Ashcroft Noiki is cut from that tradition as well. there was a strong emphasis on psychic work, on pathworking, on um connecting with the grail mythos, arthorian um and you see that to this day in in in Gareth Knight's work. But here's what I want to say about Deion Fortune. First of all, the mystical cabala, that's a must [ __ ] read and a must readad four or five times. And that's that's a minimum. Every time I read it, I learn

1:00:28 · Unknown · The Mystical Qabalah as essential reading

something new. Every time. Um it is it's a lot of why I'm so able to understand this is because all this stuff like everything I'm I've been talking to to everyone about for seven eight months now is because I am so familiar with Gion's work um particularly the mystical cabbala and she wrote a series of essays that she called the circuit of force that her society uh of the inner light had a publication you know sort of inner circulation newspaper, a newsletter, and she wrote a series of of

1:01:04 · Unknown · The Circuit of Force and magical practice

uh uh essays about this thing called the circuit of force. And we can go into this because this is a three-hour conversation at minimum. We can go into this in another spot, but Gareth Knight collected all these works and published them with his, I think, appendices and his introduction, and he entitled it the circuit of force for occultists within the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn. hermetic cabalistic initiation. This is not only a must-read but if you read it enough and if you practice what

1:01:38 · Unknown · The Circuit of Force and magical practice

is said and if you really ruminate on this this it is the key it is the key to magic. Um and that's called the circuit of force. You may read it, you may come away from it and say like I have no idea. I'm none the wiser. You must keep going and you have to synthesize that knowledge and you should practice a lot of it. Um, but it's going to particularly affect people who are in the traditions that she came up in hermetic order, the golden dawn, all the splinter orders, derivative orders,

1:02:06 · Unknown · Contacting the dead

things like that. So, that's what I want to say topically about Dion Fortune, although there is so much more we need to talk about. >> Awesome. Well, how are you on time? If you if you got a jam, we can always jump back on at another time. Um, >> I got about another 15 if you want to ask another question. I feel like I'm I'm flying through answers right right now. >> All right, I'll ask you one more. Um, thoughts on contacting the dead. So, say years >> don't do it.

1:02:36 · Unknown · Contacting the dead

>> Don't do it. So, like I was thinking about this. I was thinking say like years after an individual has passed something like this you know if they're dead and and contact is allegedly made would not would that not imply that reincarnation has not occurred on behalf of their soul. Um and if contact appears to occur then what is that something that someone is coming into contact with or you know because obviously or maybe not obviously but I would assume not all souls do reincarnate if

1:03:13 · Unknown · Reincarnation and what is being contacted

they are at a certain level perhaps but most probably do if you're if you're contacting the dead of somebody that um most likely had reincarnated years from now and you're thinking that you're in contact with them. If their souls reincarnated then it's like what are you really are you really contacting them or you know what I mean? >> Yeah. So for this I like to use a cobalistic model but also I want to talk about something Egyptian. The first thing that you got to understand about contacting the dead is

1:03:46 · Unknown · Husks, astral echoes, and the Ruach

that nine times out of 10 what you're contacting is a husk. It's the it's the the like we were talking before about astral echoes. It's the residual etheric material >> of the what we call in the cabalistic organization of the parts or the the parts of the soul the ruach. You you are reaching the lower parts of the human personality that have been left behind as a husk and by force of their own gravity have not uh dissipated. Um now the thing is there is an astral and there is an etheric component

1:04:30 · Unknown · Etheric body, Ka, and Nephesh

because there those are the lower plains and there are also well etheric is physical but it's it's the highest level of physicality. It's very rarified. It's it's the oric energy, the stuff you can see and feel. The chi, if you want to put it that way. The Egyptians called this the CA. Okay. I wrote about this in an essay in Tomb Santorum volume 5 called the illustrious dead. So, anybody wants to check that out. Um, you can get that on Amazon. Sean Woodwards, the editor. I don't get a penny of that, so

1:04:58 · Unknown · Etheric body, Ka, and Nephesh

I'm I'm not trying to sell you books. It's just a good article. Um but the thing is uh so you've got you're making contact with the lower constituents of of what was once a holistic organism. Essentially what happens is the the malproof aspect dies. it it dissipates the the the the the parts that are low but or I should say higher than the the the physical body the aciatic component they retract thereby you know the physical death of the body it is now subject to decay it's

1:05:36 · Unknown · Soul divisions on the Tree of Life

no longer animated by uh the same um spiritual hierarchies so that pulls out but then what you have at a higher level corresponding to uh the um tubina on that tree is that right that's beyond the abyss that's the nama that's the soul that's the essentiality of that person's being then corresponding to kma that that is the the hia the life the true will as theommites and and and and crowians would would uh would conceive a bit on the cabalistic tree of life and then kether is the yeha that's the

1:06:15 · Unknown · Higher divine genius vs holy guardian angel

essentiality ude that is contact with your higher divine genius. That is where it resides and it is bornless. Hence the bornless ritual to come in contact with the higher divine genius. I hesitate to call it the holy guardian angel. The holy guardian angel is based on the fraashi of of um zoroastrian myth and it implies that this being is exterior to you. Now proclas tells us that the diamond in the in the Greek conception because a lot of people think well oh no it's it's derivative of the

1:06:49 · Unknown · Higher divine genius vs holy guardian angel

diamond but proas tells us that you can the diamond can be viewed as exterior and interior. So we're conceiving of and and it may be that we're talking about the same thing. It is the diamond but when you talk about the holy guardian angel you're exteriorizing it. And when you talk about the higher divine genius, which is really where Crowley got the idea, right? He learned the golden dawn before Mats published the Abramelon ritual. Mats was publishing it as Crowley became came under his wing. And he was likely

1:07:19 · Unknown · Death, spiritual retraction, and the Nephesh

learning all about the the holy guardian angel from Mats as he was struggling to publish this book, which by the way was the beginning of the end for the for the hermetic order, the golden dawn. So um so that in the yakita the bornless part of your spiritual architect and and we keep going up this that's not just one tree there's lots of trees but this physic this the spiritual aspects sort of retract and leave pieces behind right so the ruach moves away from the the the the physical body which we call the gof

1:07:53 · Unknown · Death, spiritual retraction, and the Nephesh

and then the nephesh is the ahic energy which is tied to the goof. So the goof is your physical matter, your meat, and the nephesh is your etheric energy. So the species of the etheric energy and the ruach are left. There's an old saying that says just because they're dead doesn't mean they're any wiser. But people and and then further from the ruach, the ruach gets left behind and then the nishama comes out of them. And then up now we're beyond the abyss, right? the soul, the life, the yehida,

1:08:27 · Unknown · Necromancy and the danger of astral parasites

the essentiality, the higher divine genius, the bornless parts, they're doing their own thing at the highest, most rarified levels. Plato said you had to wait a minimum of a thousand years to be reborn, which crazy, but it's that part of you that gets reborn. When Pete dies, Pete's dead. Now, the thing is, you can make contact with these astral and etheric husks, but the issue is they're either echoes, and if they pretend to know things, nine times out of 10, they've been inhabited by by an astral or

1:08:59 · Unknown · Necromancy and the danger of astral parasites

etheric parasite. And here in lies the problem with necromancy. You have no [ __ ] clue what is wearing that thing as a costume. Uncle John could literally be, you know, an etheric costume for something that sees a vulnerability, sees a willingness for you to listen and enact their will on the material plane because you think it's your [ __ ] uncle. You think you've made, right? And we're so vulnerable, we're so hopeful to make that connection when people have died, but in reality, it's a husk.

1:09:33 · Unknown · Closing thoughts and Patreon thanks

>> Epic. All right. Well, let's end it on that. Uh, this was awesome. >> Always a pleasure. I'll just give the listeners a little look of this sick shirt that we've got going on here. Um, very excited about it. Thank you anybody who has purchased one and supported us. Thank you all the Patreon listeners for supporting us. Greatly appreciate it as always. And we're going to continue to keep pumping out good stuff. And so with that, until next time. >> Hey, you know what? I want to mention

1:10:05 · Unknown · Upcoming Tria Arcana Minds meetup

one thing briefly again I've got sirens this is killing me. Um, I want to let everybody on the Patreon specifically know that myself, Sky, Jake Treyer, Jamie Poland, possibly Pat Shanahan from Tria Prima, we're doing a tripod tree Arcana Minds is going to happen in Phoenix, Arizona um next or or on Tuesday the 19th and then we'll be putting it out on everybody's channel. We're going to blast this out there. But I figured that I would tease our Patreon supporters because of how awesome and

1:10:39 · Unknown · Future episodes and Sky Speaks idea

excellent they are that we're going to all be meeting in the flesh for the first time. It's going to be excellent. >> Can't wait. Yeah. Thanks for mentioning that. I'm so stoked. That's going to be a blast. >> Yeah. So, thanks guy, man. I love podcasting with you and I've missed this. And I'm gonna make a list of things that I really want to know your thoughts on. And we'll do I'd really like to do um I'd like to do a Sky Speaks, you know, kind of

1:11:07 · Unknown · Future episodes and Sky Speaks idea

>> and and uh because there's a lot of [ __ ] that you know about alchemy that I have I don't know anything about and I I'd like >> talk about that with you. >> Hell yeah. All right. Things to look forward to. All right, brother. Till next time. All right.