0:00 · Unknown · Intro to Etherica and the topic of freedom

[Music] Hello out there from the Garden of Astral Delights. This is the Etherica podcast. I'm Ike Baker and I'm joined today by my co-host >> Sky Matthysse. >> How you doing, man? >> Not too bad. How about yourself? >> Pretty good. Pretty good. Um, what have we got lined up tonight? What what what have you uple? >> Topic of tonight's going to be on freedom. Um, this is something you came to me with and I'm super stoked about it. I'm I'm looking forward to it a lot

0:42 · Unknown · Sky’s opening thoughts on freedom

and I'm really I'm both excited uh and curious where it's going to go. Uh, you wanted to do an episode on kind of the methods of freedom and I know that you have a few particular directions that you wanted to take this. So, can't wait to get into it. Um, I kind of wanted to lead up to that though with a a couple kind of introductory statements and cuz I want to first say freedom is it's it's something I'm extremely passionate about and very few things kind of get me into

1:15 · Unknown · Sky’s opening thoughts on freedom

a particular emotional state of mind more than this subject. you know, contemplating the beauty of particular examples of freedom um expressed and or exercised. It's one of the the those very things, freedom itself. And so I was thinking about freedom and and what it is. And I have a sort of philosophical I don't know, I guess abstraction if I may. If I was to distill it down, if you look at freedom as a sort of simulacum, if that is a correct word, um, like the core ingredients that formulate or give rise

1:54 · Unknown · Freedom as plurality, choice, and attainable options

to the existence of freedom in a very literal sense. To me, it seems like it really begins with one becoming two. Or it seems like freedom requires a plurality um of particularly unique individuations and that the degree of freedom is always in relation to the quantity of the individuations available of any given category uh or any choice with variation really. um we're attainable options. Uh each option can have its own qualitative nature and that's sort of a value judgment that we make in regards to how we engage with

2:39 · Unknown · Freedom as plurality, choice, and attainable options

freedom. But it itself is a result of a unique multitude or plurality of differentiations themselves. And it could be simple, you know, it could be simply two things in regards to a choice that we execute like an apple or an orange or a red apple or a green apple up and down, left or right, uh 1 in or 2 in. Each option attainable though. And if it's not attainable, then the freedom doesn't exist. If you have an attainable apple, but no other attainable options or food, then you're not free to choose.

3:15 · Unknown · Nested hierarchies of freedom

there's no freedom of choice. And so that notion, it can kind of get us into the idea of illusions of freedom as well. But aside from that, I think that in the same way that there are nested hierarchies of truth, I think there's also perhaps nested hierarchies of freedom in the sense that although one may not have the freedom to physically attain X, Y, or Z in a tangible form, he or she may be able to attain its conception at the very least. And so the limitless nature of freedom of thought in particular, I think is one

3:54 · Unknown · Nested hierarchies of freedom

of our most powerful gifts to expand or build one's momentum in the pursuit of the acquisition of expanded freedom. And we can sort of touch on that, but kind of going back to my example to wrap up this thought, you could be completely void of freedom in terms of what available options you have attainable to eat. for example, you you might literally only have one option, the apple alone. That's it. But with that, you would still have the freedom to eat or not to eat the apple at all. So, this is what I sort of am

4:32 · Unknown · Choice, consequence, and will

getting at with this idea of nested hierarchy of freedom in regards to any given subject. Like on one axis, you could have a dual variable of red or green apple and then on the other the freedom to choose between them. But the higher order of freedom and more consequential is to eat or not eat the apple at all. Uh the freedom to choose starvation or sustenance. So I think freedom fundamentally comes down to variation or potentiality plus attainability and it's intrinsically or inherently linked to choice. And which choice there

5:14 · Unknown · Choice, consequence, and will

is inherent link to consequence for better or worse or you know cause and effect. It's a determination of path on the multi-dimensional road of causes and effects exercised by a conscious will that gives rise to its expression for freedom to be expressed uh as a a choice made or enacted. Uh it's it exists within one power like you you contemplate, you decide, you then utilize your will and you pursue your intended goal. You exert your effort, you execute your choice, you you know, you reach out, you grab and you eat the

5:53 · Unknown · Awareness, imagination, and freedom

apple and then the consequence is born and it goes on and on and so yeah, interestingly I find that freedom and the awareness of its existence do not necessarily go hand in hand. Uh, freedom can totally exist, but the individual may be too unaware to even recognize it. Or vice versa. He or she may starve to death based on his or her own assumption that there is no apple at all. he or she might lack or have an underdeveloped imagination, which to me is really it's almost a sort of, you know, like the the

6:32 · Unknown · Awareness, imagination, and freedom

imagination is almost like a sort of built-in freedom orientation device. And so back to what I was saying about conceptualization and imagination as a sort of seed germ that fertilizes or is fertilized by the inspirational force that drives motivations. So there's a lot that we can get into with this conversation in terms of dancing with the phil the philosophy of freedom and its associated ideas and all of that. But for one, I really think that some people value the nosis or realization of freedom more so than

7:13 · Unknown · Inspiration, motivation, and the imaginative mind

others. Definitely. Um, you know, others are kind of just like Plato in the cave and they don't really know what's outside of their reality bubbles and maybe to a lesser or more so degree are even concerned or care about that. Maybe they're just content with whatever. But I wanted to get your thoughts on a couple things in particular and it may kind of get us off track a little bit. We we could always bring it back to wherever. But um like if you have any thoughts on the relationship between the

7:46 · Unknown · Inspiration, motivation, and the imaginative mind

imagination and freedom as well as inspirations uh like the muses and the forces that move us some of the potential origins of an individual's uh motive force when it comes to choice making and action taking the the origins of motivations themselves in your view perhaps uh instinctual motivations could even be in the mix. But I I do kind of feel like imagination it can be used to generate uh in some sense to like a higher degree of freedom through creative conceptualizations at least uh that kind of involve like these

8:31 · Unknown · Inspiration, motivation, and the imaginative mind

inspirational forces. It seems like they descend into the imaginative mind field, if you could call it that, and kind of act as a sort of wind or weather of psychic mentation that motivates. But yeah, I guess what do you think of all that? And what are your thoughts on the relationship between freedom and and the imagination itself? Um, well, I think that you touched on a lot of things that um that I I basically had to say uh in the in your intro, which is uh was very well said, very well thought

9:11 · Unknown · Ike on illustrating freedom clearly

out. Um, I think I'm going to in kind of elaborating this, I'm going to touch on things that you had just said, but I'm going to I'm going to bear them out a little more. And uh, you really, what I've learned is that you really have to illustrate things for people. you know, people can really people can hear what you have said and maybe take in 15 tops 30% of what you've just said. Um, you, me, other people, it we're not we're we're not typically um actively cognizant enough in any

9:55 · Unknown · Ike on illustrating freedom clearly

given moment to really be absorbing everything that's said. So, I think that this is one of those conversations where it is worth it to sort of not not merely belabor a point, but but to go through with a fine tooth comb and really draw it out for people, really exemplify what it is we're talking about, really um illustrate that. And uh freedom is relative based on perception. That's kind of what what you had said, but it's the first thing that's that's really striking me

10:36 · Unknown · Aphantasia, perception, and inner life

uh to when talking about freedom and the imagination. Um some people don't they have this sort of atrophied imagination. I've worked with a lot of people in terms of, you know, uh different esoteric curriculum or curricula and and other things as well, meditative groups, you know, energy healing, all that sort of woowoo fun stuff. And you come across more people than I thought I would uh really who believe themselves to suffer from aphantasia which I don't think actually exists. >> What is what is aphantasia?

11:20 · Unknown · Aphantasia, perception, and inner life

>> Aphantasia is the inability to visualize anything with the eye of the mind. There are some people that say I don't even talk to myself. I don't even have an interior monologue. And it's like so to, you know, I understand that I'm limited by my perception, but in a sense, I I seriously contemplate based off of how they're able to um their behavior uh in accordance with certain situational things that I, you know, physically watched these people have to navigate before my eyes. It it

11:55 · Unknown · Aphantasia, perception, and inner life

it it doesn't make sense that there wouldn't be any of that interiority. It's just there's there's a there's this missing link in terms of of of toggling. There's this missing understanding between the interior and the out the the and the and and the exterior, the inside and the outside. Um, and so right there is a really, you know, since we've kind of landed on it, that's a very interesting um, perceptual clue in terms of like how they process information, how they process their

12:27 · Unknown · Freedom as relative to lived experience

their inner lives and the outer world. Um, and and that's really the thing with freedom. If you have lived in a cage your entire life, well then being walked once a week is freedom, you know. Um, and you know, if you let's let's let's take the other um end of the spectrum. If you have lived in America for your entire life, uh probably post 1950, you are probably unaware of the many ways in which you are entirely a slave, completely 100% a slave. And a lot of that has to do with financial system.

13:14 · Unknown · Financial systems and hidden slavery

And I'm not going to drag this into into that corner of, you know, highly politicized. Well, what's your plan? What do you have a better idea? I've got a better idea. Sit the [expletive] down and listen to me. Okay. But um you know we have relinquished all uh you know any any semblance any modicum of of of true temperance o of true equilibrium in our lifestyle as a people to be able to say with any confidence that um I'm in control of myself. Uh, and you know, some people are like, "Right,

14:00 · Unknown · Discipline, vanity, and false balance

because there's this there's this hierarchy of of desire." Well, that guy's in really good shape and I'm fat and I can't get myself to have his discipline. I can't have, you know, I can't get myself to to to go to the gym, so, you know, he can control himself. Not necessarily. I was on that [expletive] hamster wheel for many, many, many, many years. I mean, I was ripped, you know? I was, you know, on all sorts of supplements, preworkouts, and and it was pure [expletive] vanity because that's not that's not

14:35 · Unknown · Discipline, vanity, and false balance

temperance. Lifting five days a week, lifting four, you know, powerlifting, uh, intense cardio, that's not that's not balance, you know. It's again, it's an extreme. It's like we've the the the hyper consumerism, you know, it's been so good so long. There have been so many choices, so many options. Um, everything seems to be catered to us. You know, if you if you ever listen to any kind of marketing, it's all it's it's your plan. It's your choice. We're your company.

15:10 · Unknown · Marketing, manipulation, and subconscious influence

You know, it's it's all they're they're coddling you. They're throw there's they're vomiting this horseshit at you that it's about you and you know there's something on the subconscious level that really gravitates towards that kind of coddling um you know makes us feel special and that sounds insane but look you know you're the one falling for it. So, but it's true and and people are um you know, and it doesn't even have to be necessarily just the words, right? That

15:42 · Unknown · Marketing, manipulation, and subconscious influence

that kind of linguistic sorcery. It's already been hardwired into us that these are the official delivery systems, television, the news, movies, production companies, famous actors, anything that they at this point like they could say anything. But because it is coming through that filter, it has our awareness and it also has our subconscious attention. We are literally being assailed at all fronts and just allowing it to happen. You know, it's like nobody is guarding the temple. Nobody is guarding the temple of the

16:26 · Unknown · Imagination limited by perception

mind. And ultimately, um you want to talk about imagination. I mean if you are completely unaware that any of this is is happening your imagination is going to to if you have a complete unawareness of the definition of freedom at a higher level you know within a broader picture um then your imagination is going to graft itself onto self-satisfying things that pander to the undeveloped person in the undeveloped state which you are and which you are in. Um and so you know we come up with these ideas of like you know what you've been

17:12 · Unknown · Ambition, identity, and programmed dreams

told you if you work really hard and you you have you think you dream big you can you can make it. And so you know 16-year-old me who isn't popular at school you know wants a girlfriend more than anything in the world um and is just constantly the the butt of a joke. Well, what's cool? You know, music, you know, late 90s. Are you kidding me? I mean, uh, and it's so funny because like that whole rock and roll aesthetic, that counterculture, it was all horseshit. It was all programming, you know, like none

17:46 · Unknown · Ambition, identity, and programmed dreams

of it mattered. None of it was the real [expletive] deal cuz it all operated within this commercial televised millu um that was was inherently self-destructive to the people that were consuming that. But at the time I make this choice and I'm like, "Hey, that's really [expletive] cool. I think that's within my reach." Fast forward, you know, 14, 15 years later, 30, 31 years old, and I am playing out this [expletive] fantasy based off of a decision 16-year-old me had on what was cool and what would be my life

18:18 · Unknown · Ambition, identity, and programmed dreams

path, you know, going forward. So, my imagination did some incredible things, but none of it was toward freedom. All of it was in this kind of in the same direction I had always been going in. And just because I got older and just because I got a job and just because I got a car or an apartment, so to speak, you know, like just cuz all those things happened doesn't mean that I became any [expletive] wiser. You know, my my consciousness didn't really expand in three dimensions. It was expanding in

18:51 · Unknown · Ambition, identity, and programmed dreams

two. It was getting wider along a single, you know, a single plane. um which was you know uh blind positivistic materialism. Even if I even if I was always a theist, which you know, I went through my phases, but even if I was always a theist, I wasn't I wasn't living that out. You know, I was caught in this [expletive] wash dry circle. Um uh that our society has us gripped in like like a vicious undertoe, like a whirlpool. Um and it strangles the ability to make informed choices. It strangles the ability to attain that

19:34 · Unknown · Choice inside a restricted system

broader picture where I now know what freedom is outside of is it Burger King or McDonald's? Is it Republican or Democrat? Is it Hyundai or Beamer? You know, like who which car which bank do I want to go $20,000 into [expletive] debt with? You know, that's choice. No way. You're a [expletive] slave. So um that's that's really uh you know imagination can only go as far as your perception can see and our perception does not see too far. You got a lot of people out there who want to be you know

20:10 · Unknown · Choice inside a restricted system

their their engine is ambition. Their dream is is is >> yes it's it's financial freedom. It's not mental freedom. It's not emotional. It's not spiritual freedom. It's it's financial freedom. And that's why so many people get there and they get to the top of that mountain and for like five or 10 years they just wear all the [expletive] the, you know, the thousand jackets and drive the, you know, the the the Maseratis and they turn around, they're like, "Well, this was horshit,

20:38 · Unknown · Imagination as future-making

you know, like it's not this is not it. It didn't scratch the existential itch." Um, so that's I mean that's as far as I I think obviously the imagination is our most powerful tool for creating futures. But the question is you have to stop first and say what kind of future am I capable of creating? What am I like if I only have if there's like you know those big Crayola boxes you get when you're when you're a kid and there's like I don't know like you know 50 36 colors

21:08 · Unknown · Imagination as future-making

it's batching. If you only have three colors, like you were saying, my future is limited. I don't I don't really have choice there. I have three choices because I can't see the full spectrum. Yes. Amen. And and yeah, I think this sort of relates so as I was kind of mentioning the the sort of wind or the weather of psychic mentation and I'll include an additional important comment like on the note of weather because we are talking about freedom at a particular time and I think there's a

21:42 · Unknown · Social weather and recognizing storm patterns

difference between uh maybe like irrational paranoia and the focus of one's thoughts and attention versus a very reasonable and experiential sort of pattern recognition type situation of weather detection in terms of events uh and forces playing out nationally or globally and in utilizing the knowledge of the ancient past and nosis of the local past. If we are to trajectory map sort of the weather of consciousness, we can without a doubt see some storm clouds overhead and it's pretty much up to us to properly

22:30 · Unknown · Social weather and recognizing storm patterns

address the situation for ourselves, our friends, our family, etc. Are we going to stand and get taken out by the flood that's coming or are we going to prepare and build shelter? Uh we we have realities that are encroaching and there are potential directions uh potentialities and probabilities uh that it would only be wise to address. With with that being said, maybe you can sort of lay out an overview of of what what is some of your primary intentions, concerns or directions you hope to take

23:12 · Unknown · Ike’s aim for the freedom discussion

this conversation in? Uh and and I also want to just ask you why is this subject so important to you yourself personally? >> All right. Um, first I want to say before I address any of that stuff as a preface, I've said a lot of things that are controversial um about the society in which we live. I'm not like I'm not pro anything. So I'm pretty much anti- everything um in terms of in terms of like civilization and society. Um, I I have the wherewithal to understand that capitalism is just as flawed as human

23:53 · Unknown · Cycles, society, and repeating patterns

beings are. And that that will continue to happen with every new cycle of every new invention, every new iteration will inevitably reach a peak, which is whatever the highest we are capable of at the time. and then it will begin to degenerate because it doesn't matter if it's communism, it doesn't matter if it's capitalism. Everything's a [expletive] experiment until the fat lady sings. And at a certain point, right, what are we seeing? Just cycles. Some are shorter than others, some are longer than others. Um, but

24:27 · Unknown · Cycles, society, and repeating patterns

we're seeing cycles. And these cycles tend to show us, like you were saying, pattern recognition. Pattern recognition was probably the most useful thing I learned in my entire early like my young manhood. Uh early 20s, mid20s, mid uh you know late uh late 20s, early 30s learning constantly repetitiously being able to find patterns. Um because that we live in a universe that is patterned. There's no way there's no way you can come up against that and fight that. A lot of people say, "Oh, you know, well,

25:05 · Unknown · Cycles, society, and repeating patterns

everything's just random and everything's just chance." Abso fuckingutely not. That makes from the standpoint of logic, that makes zero sense. Zero sense. I mean, it's that is I have an easier time believing that Santa Claus stuffs his fat ass down a chimney and brings the kids presents than believing that all this [expletive] pattern, all this multivariety that the most, you know, and the most nuanced level of of subtle repeating geometrical um relationships came out of nothing Because the thing is

25:47 · Unknown · Pattern, order, and the impossibility of randomness

if all of this was predicated on there being nothing underlying, no substratum, that means that there would be no underlying principle to even create a big bang to even to and let's say let's say the big bang, you know, we'll take this this crackpot theory and run with it. Let's say it did happen. If there was no pre-existing underlying order, consciousness, relationship. Then all those atoms that were dispersed in the beginning, they would never have adhered to each other and they would

26:23 · Unknown · Pattern, order, and the impossibility of randomness

just be moving in in all in one direction infinitely as far in one direction. Then nothing would have cohered. Nothing would have formed relationship. Nothing would have been able to begin the sequence of pattern generation. So pattern recognition is really the the most useful tool that you can develop as a human being. And the patterns that we're seeing is just this right in in in in the occult. It's the wheel of fortune. You know, it's it's the tarot card, you know, the the the the the

26:59 · Unknown · The wheel, determinism, and free will

wheel of the tarot, the roa. It's just that's all it is. The wheel of samsara, you know, it's just we're at the top, nowhere to go but the bottom. We're at the bottom, nowhere to go but the top. And the reasoning, the circumstances, they're all artificial. Okay? It's all artificial. Whatever happens is going to happen. Whatever needs to happen is going to take place in order that the wheel keeps turning in its, you know, pre-established uh proportions and and and in in the ratio and the speed at

27:35 · Unknown · The wheel, determinism, and free will

which it has to turn in any given situation. So that right there sounds a lot like predestination. I do believe that there is a predetermined component, a deterministic component. To ignore that is to basically pluck one of your eyes out. You know, you've got half field of vision. You're not seeing reality. You're not seeing the whole picture. There is very clearly a heavily deterministic component. And that's also that limitation that bounds with when within which we operate. We live and

28:11 · Unknown · The wheel, determinism, and free will

move and have our being. Um that is necessary. It's nec we have to have boundaries. Um and that's what that principle is. The principle of determinism is the principle of bina. It's the principle of boundary. It's it's het the enclosure. Um but right cuz everybody likes to adhere to this strict carteesian you know uh this or that mentality. In reality it's both simultaneously. There's also a free will component and they interact with each other the same way light and dark

28:47 · Unknown · Social change vs. inner change

you know light and shadow interact to create everything we see. um and uh and you know on and on uh on that diet tribe but um so I just want to make it clear right at the outset I am not somebody who's like we need to you know start implementing social ch I don't give a tony [expletive] about social change I care nothing for it um because it's it's going to be more of the same if you're a student of history you should be scared if things have been good for too long, right? You should know like the the

29:22 · Unknown · Social change vs. inner change

other shoe's going to drop soon cuz it it always has and it always will. It always will. No matter what. No matter how technologically advanced we get, no matter [expletive] what. Because that is what this realm, those are the laws of this realm. That's the price of being here. That's it. >> Indeed. >> You will never change that. >> Yeah. And sometimes I get worried about doing these more large societal level kind of conversations. I get worried my sort of rebellious nature will come out

29:59 · Unknown · Government, mind control, and responsibility

and I might get myself into trouble with my words. Um but like I received like I did a a conversation with uh Sam Tripley recently and I opened it up with basically [expletive] the government. And I know it can sound like very anarchistish and I don't know if this is a sort of contention is like up your alley and or not particularly but what I meant by that is to get people to more kind of look at things more deeply in terms of like etmologically and in the the sense of you know government like governmente like controlled mind. And

30:45 · Unknown · Government, mind control, and responsibility

think about the institutions and bodies or organizations that we allow to usurp and take hold of the direction of our minds and our souls and the power that we grant them. But to be clear, I I want to be clear that I do believe in a sort of hierarchy, a a hierarchy of distributed responsibility and place of governance or government. um or you know like cuz it's like a it's almost like a corrosive or coercive control node in some sense. Um, but this sort of hierarchy of distributed responsibility

31:28 · Unknown · Virtue as the basis of functional society

that I'm speaking of, it has to be structured properly and we can get into that. But I think that there are a couple of probability tunnels, so to speak, that we could go down depending on the collective masses mental health and our integrity. >> Well, as a whole, >> well, that's that's that's kind of the thing. That entire idea while a worthy one and a noble one is predicated on the belief that everyone will be equally as virtuous and as moral as the next person and at a minimum

32:03 · Unknown · Virtue as the basis of functional society

level as virtuous and as moral as they need to be in order for the society to function. And at that is where the whole theory kind of falls apart. But um to to circle back around to like you asked me what was what was I hoping to do with this with this podcast. And my my sincere hope is to address the positive and the negative of these the exactly what we're talking about these potential societal structures, these hierarchies and address the elephant in the room. Right. for the perhaps for the first

32:40 · Unknown · Self-sovereignty as prerequisite

time in our modern civilization um since like you know the classical liberal arts education when they were actually studying Plato like reading the dialogues and conversing about it and stuff like that instead of just like okay go read the symposium write a you know write four paragraphs and uh let's move on um to talk about self sovereign sovereignty that is ultimately what is required before it's prerequisite to everything you're talking about. Um but we don't you know we don't get to choose

33:25 · Unknown · Self-sovereignty as prerequisite

when and how other people undergo that difficult perhaps alchemical process of salvaded coagula into the rectified a more rectified more perfect um version of themselves. They're going to do that uh whenever they see fit. And I mean, you know, I do believe that higher forces are at work to sort of like force the hand, but uh, you know, that's that's ultimately the main message that I have for this podcast is that we need to stop talking about what the ideal exterior situation is and

34:07 · Unknown · Interior transformation over exterior systems

we need to very very minutely, carefully, and persistently address what the necessary interior situation is, >> if that makes sense. >> Yeah, for sure. And I'll just I'll go negative for a minute and I think it'll be particularly fun to paint a picture of what in my mind I don't rule out a very real potential a a sort of reality tunnel uh you know that can kind of illustrate this sort of negative path like like one reality the dark reality potential. Uh if you allow me to kind of go a little

34:50 · Unknown · Dystopian dependence and loss of citizenship

dystopian rant for a minute, I'll paint a picture in a scenario and we could play around with maybe how to avoid that trajectory hopefully. Um so I could see a potential path where the power structures at play continually amplify and ramp up these strong inclinations towards essentially breeding dependence versus independence. Like at this rate, thinking about the trajectory of things, potentially becoming so disconnected from the will of the people where instead of being called citizens, the

35:26 · Unknown · Dystopian dependence and loss of citizenship

dominant heads of resources and resource resource distribution and legal legislation eventually just figure out a way to eliminate that word citizen altogether along with the word freedom. like they'll eliminate citizen and just replace it with dependent and that'll be like the new normal. Right now we all argue about all of these gender pronouns because there's, you know, too many, but they'll just eventually eliminate all of them. Male, female, they, them, all of it. And it'll just say on everybody's

36:03 · Unknown · Dystopian dependence and loss of citizenship

mandatory ID card dependent with a capital D. And uh you know I'll have like some kind of unique code number like I'm dependent A1R22 and that's my government issued name and you know my parents they went to jail for trying to name me. I guess there used to be this thing back in the day where biological parents could decide what their children's names were. Um but we don't really talk about that stuff anymore because spelling is a satanic act of black magic and blah blah blah.

36:36 · Unknown · Social credit, deactivation, and controlled access

So, you know, you'll you'll go to the the mall and walk around. You'll walk through security scanner stations that will alert the security guards if you're in good standing or not. And if your social credit scores drop down to a certain spot and if you've maybe accumulated enough digital demerits uh then I don't know maybe you uh due to your nonconformist behaviors being reported then you'll lose your quote unquote privileges. Maybe you'll get caught carrying something crazy like I

37:09 · Unknown · Social credit, deactivation, and controlled access

don't know physical cash or some [expletive] like that. And you know, the whole time your buddy that you're with, he'll be like freaking out and he'll be like, "Bro, what the [expletive] were you thinking carrying cash into the mall? Are you out of your mind?" And yeah, you'll just be like temporarily deactivated. You'll be decreased to the level of a a defective dependent. That's that's what they'll call you on the news. You'll be placed in a category of defective dependence

37:34 · Unknown · Social credit, deactivation, and controlled access

and then maybe sent to a mandatory reformation facility on Saturdays or something like that. And then people will be like embarrassed to hang out with you in public because you know you won't be able to buy or sell anything. You'll have this like blinking red light around you. Um like some digital status belt that you know people will see with their augmented reality Google contacts. People will be whispering and pointing at you. >> Wow. You you've thought about this man. This is like this reminds me like a

38:05 · Unknown · Social credit, deactivation, and controlled access

movie Brazil or something. This is cool. >> Yeah. I'd be like receiving notifications on their phones like like a Bluetooth alert that you know you're now coming in contact with a defective dependent. It's within your proximity and steer clear and it just you know they'll be full of fear and wondering what what did that guy do to get deactivated? They'll be like whispering like yeah I heard uh if you know you can go straight to deactivation now if you don't get the vaccines. cuz I wonder

38:37 · Unknown · We are already near the dystopian path

like maybe did he get the vaccine? Maybe he's dangerous. Maybe he's contaminated. So, I don't know. Anyway, that's that's a real possibility. So, you know, mind control is interesting. Uh yeah, what are your thoughts on all that? And well, we're kind of already there, man. Um the the this is the issue, right? The exterior accutramons of our situations are always going to resemble things that happened before as they decay and as they heal and build up because those are the two forces in the universe. You know

39:14 · Unknown · Building and breaking down as universal cycles

and gibura for the catalysts out there the building up and the breaking down. Okay. Um anabolism and uh catabolism. Uh those are principles in our in our biology. It's just everywhere. So, it's in in some years it's going to look like, you know, uh whatever the reign of Asher Bonnie Paul and in other years it's going to look like, you know, uh Marcus Aurelius and then other years it's going to look like 9/11 and then other years it's going to look like the vaccine. It's just it's it's the same

39:48 · Unknown · Building and breaking down as universal cycles

thing, but we're obsessed with what it looks like without addressing the fact that like, oh, this is the principle of deconstruction. Whereas people who can look at that stuff for what it is, well, now their perspective, as I was saying in the beginning, they have a broader perspective, which means rather than seeing the corner of the chessboard, they see the whole [expletive] chessboard. And that means that they can utilize these things against us. So for instance, you know, you had this whole thing right

40:22 · Unknown · Indigo children, counterculture, and weaponized ideals

uh in the you know the 1960s '7s '8s that whole theosophical new age movement they were talking about this new generation of people that were going to come you know this and they were going to fix everything they're and they have indigo auras and and that makes them natural healers and we're the indigo children and and all this stuff. And I'll be honest with you, man, like I absolutely 100% I couldn't my whole life, but almost spontaneously with with with some encouragement and training, I

40:51 · Unknown · Indigo children, counterculture, and weaponized ideals

can see auras. I can see the energy field around a human being. I can feel it. Um, and I I'm not [expletive] special. Anyone can do it, okay? It's just you you got to bring your attention there. Um, and you there's some truth to this idea of this particular oric color that color that surrounds a healer. You know, I worked in massage therapy and physical therapy and and went to school for acupuncture. I was around a lot of people. I I trained uh extensively in in chiong therapy and and raiki, hands-on

41:26 · Unknown · Indigo children, counterculture, and weaponized ideals

healing. And and there there's definitely an exchange of that kind of color really. you know that energy that's that that's moving um right because all it is is vibration that's all colors are that's all that's all this energy is it's just vibration I happen to have particular sensory organism organisms that can pick up on that information and feed it to my brain okay like and then my brain works it out uh so um there's definitely something to that and look we have this generation of people

41:59 · Unknown · Indigo children, counterculture, and weaponized ideals

that yeah absolutely we were getting tired very tired of the way things were, but we only saw the immediate picture. We only saw the sandbox we were playing in, whereas the, you know, the powers that be. And don't, you know, people laugh because they're like, "Oh, some unspecified they." Yeah. Because I don't know their [expletive] names, right? Because they're not the people you're going to see on TV, okay? It's not it's not it it's not the politicians, okay?

42:28 · Unknown · The powers that be and the larger chessboard

That's not who does the, you know, that's those are the dirty work people, okay? You're not going to hear about these [expletive] families. It's not the Roth Shields, right? It's not pronounced Rothschild. It's rot shield. It means red shield in German. Uh, you know, it's it it's not them. Those are the the power players, yes, but they're not the ones making the decisions. They're the ones that have to hold the power, that have to look like they are the movers

42:55 · Unknown · The powers that be and the larger chessboard

and shakers. So yes, an unspecified they um the powers that be see the whole chessboard. They see the entirety of the sandbox, the entirety of the playground because they [expletive] put us here um with some you know subconscious willingness on our own part. That's the only way this could have worked. Um and uh you get this group of people that wants change and look at what they're able to do with that sentiment. They're able to weaponize that sentiment not only against the prevailing paradigm but

43:29 · Unknown · The powers that be and the larger chessboard

against our friends, against our families, against our ch each other, um our peers, everything. Um and people scratch their heads and it's like, well, they're pointing outside, well, we got to fix this and we got to fix that. Plug plug the plug the hole in the boat. Plug None of this [expletive] at this point matters, right? cuz now the way out is the way through. It's not it's not getting any better, okay? It's going to get drastically worse before it gets better. I I promise you that. But

44:06 · Unknown · Inner freedom as the deciding factor

what the future depends on whether or not we're able you as an individual, me, whoever's watching or listening to this as individuals, what is going to decide our fate, let's put it, you know, poetically, is the amount of freedom we are able to attain within ourselves. And what that has to do with, right? Because that's all this has ever been about. That's all this has ever been about. Incarnation into materiality. Plato has been talking about it for 2500 years. And he got it

44:45 · Unknown · Inner freedom as the deciding factor

from the Pythagorean school. And they got it from the Egyptians and the Calans. This is it's the central theme. This is what I've been trying to explain, explicate with my entire body of work so far. um little by little because you need the foundations. You need it to unfold. I cannot vomit it out onto you. That's the whole purpose of an initiatic system, a mystery school. It has to be a slow drip. I want to initiate whoever is willing to listen to me. Okay? That's what my channel is there

45:21 · Unknown · Initiation as a slow unfolding

for. That's what my work is there for. It's a species of initiation. Okay? Um but it has to be slow, controlled. You have to not because of the nature of the information, but because of the nature of us. Like we are these fragile little [expletive] eggshells that are just, you know, we're so conditioned to like these tiny tiny micro environments now that we live in. Um, you know, these little microbubbles that I can't just come along and burst it. That's impossible because you're

45:53 · Unknown · Initiation as a slow unfolding

like you're armed at every gate. Now, the smaller your world gets, the more on the defense you constantly are. Okay? That's that's what an animal is, you know. Um, so what we have to reorient our perspectives towards is rectification of the interior. And through these these impulses that this new generation came into incarnation with came into this you know the field of battle quote unquote of materiality. We came in with these idealistic you know renovating tendencies. But what's happening is we can no longer

46:37 · Unknown · Turning criticism inward

connect with the truth of the situation. And so the torch we we we brought brought here to bring light is now just [expletive] burning everything down because the the the the let's say the players on the exterior of the battlefield, right? The players of the game, if we're on the board, people moving the pieces, they can see the whole picture and we cannot. And the main thing that continues to elude us that we need to understand before we we are able to gain any ground is that I have to go inward. And this vicious ray

47:17 · Unknown · Turning criticism inward

of penetrating criticism that I'm everything I look at just kind of [expletive] smolders with my disdain. I have to in a way turn that in inward on myself that because that becomes light in interior darkness and I have to right when you go into any kind of energy healing or I don't know how much anymore you know western alopathic medicine but typically you know in the older traditions the first maxim of becoming a healer is physician heal thyself That's what you have to do first before you can do anything else. And actually,

47:58 · Unknown · Physician, heal thyself

it's [expletive] the only thing you can do, right? Because then the next tenant is when when a person comes to you and says, "Help me. I don't feel well. I'm ill." Before you do anything, before you do anything, you prescribe medicine, you look, you just look the person in the eyes and you ask them, "Are you willing to stop doing what is making you sick?" I can't force you to do anything. You know, and and that's the whole thing. We have big [expletive] problems with self-

48:24 · Unknown · False occult wisdom and power over self

sovereignty because we've thrown the baby out with the bathwater with morality and ethics and virtue. And now, you know, we come in with this, you know, again, this younger generation, we're coming in with this inclination towards mystical knowledge. Um, perhaps as an impetus of previous lives, who knows really? And now it's they're spoonfeeding us dog [expletive] We're getting Crowley. We're getting Phimma. We're getting Anton Lavey as wisdom. That's not wisdom. That is not wisdom. Okay. I

48:59 · Unknown · False occult wisdom and power over self

mean, like you probably think it is and kind of like, you know, probably in a state of arrested development within a countercultural millu because you haven't healed the things that made you run away from the paradigms you grew up with. But at the end of the day, it ain't [expletive] right. It's not wisdom. That's not what the occult is. That is an inversion. a perversion of the occult that says, "I have power. I have power." No, you need power over yourself. You don't need power over anything else. You

49:30 · Unknown · False occult wisdom and power over self

don't You don't go start, you know, doing sorcery and and money magic and elemental magic. You're going to It's like a baby trying to like making a [expletive] mess of an already bad situation. You're adding more karma, you know? So, it's like trying to clean the house with greasy fingers. You're [expletive] everything up. Clean your fingers, you know? purify yourself. That's that's the main work that is there is no other work. >> Wow. Indeed. Okay. So, I've got a couple

49:59 · Unknown · Are the powers that be human?

questions. Um I want to ask you I guess one thing is when you speak of like the powers that be quote unquote is it your estimation that these powers that be because you know we mentioned like obviously it's not these political figures and maybe it's not even some of these families. There's probably families behind families or I don't know. I'm wondering in your conception uh are the powers that be human um are they >> no >> acting through humans or humanity and on

50:30 · Unknown · Consciousness, materiality, and Gnosticism

a higher level and maybe you could speak to that a little bit. >> I think so this is another reason whynosticism has been so important. Um, I think there are everything I'll put it this way. Everything in the material universe is an expression of consciousness one way or another. Is it is everything as sophisticated quote unquote as self-aware consciousness? Not necessarily. But does that mean that it's not conscience conscious? No, not at all. Um, Joseph Campbell had a beautiful line in the uh

51:12 · Unknown · Consciousness, materiality, and Gnosticism

um I think it was the meaning of myth or it was it was the last interview he did at the end of his life with Bill Moyers on Skywalker Ranch. And he said uh he and his wife had a a a plant that uh that was you know helotropic um and every morning would turn to face the sun to photosynthesize. And he said you can't tell me that the thing's not conscious. There's a there's an awareness, there's an acknowledgment. And the issue is that our minds are stuck in this idea that consciousness

51:45 · Unknown · Consciousness beyond neurological function

is, you know, neurological function. That's not the case. That's a very sophisticated form, a very convoluted form of consciousness that is self-aware consciousness. But that's not what consciousness is, you know, on the broadest possible level. And these are not, you know, I'm not trying to reinvent scientific terms. I'm going back to the original [expletive] ideas, you know, of, you know, the one, the intellect, the soul, the three hypotheses, you know, these these terms, um, you know, the siki cosmu, the animi,

52:22 · Unknown · Consciousness beyond neurological function

the world soul, nata, natans, nata, nata, nata, these are old ideas, you know, um, preodern, pre-postmodern. So, um, you know, some people are want to abandon all that stuff. And to me, it's like, you know, that's a kind of it's a kind of suicide as a species. And and it inhibits your growth. It, like I was saying, it inhibits your ability to expand your your consciousness. So of course yes the societal paradigms within which we find ourselves kind of encamped or or you know uh trapped in are going

53:03 · Unknown · Plato’s cave and archonic forces

to reinforce this idea of like let all that [expletive] go. I mean basically what we're talking about here is Plato's cave. And I hate it because it's such a cliche now. Um but that's exactly what it is. We're talking about Plato's cave. You know he wasn't talking about a physical place. He's talking about a state of being and those those entities which kept the human beings enslaved are a a kind of I guess what you would call an aronic force. Uh you know um arones arontes meaning

53:40 · Unknown · Plato’s cave and archonic forces

the rulers. Um in some neoplatonic conceptions they're called cosmocras. They're referred to as the hebdomat. Uh it's essentially the seven planetary forces and their corresponding um intelligences. And here, you know, you get into it's like I I've got to take you to college here in in in esoteric verbiage to understand what I'm talking about. I don't think the physical planets are doing this to us. um in a sense right I do believe that there's an astrological im impact but um

54:19 · Unknown · Planetary forces and dark intelligences

there are certain principles inherent to the foundations maintenance and the quality of manifestation of the universe and those principles are comprised of both light and dark and uh the light principles assist however they do so gently and um and sometimes their assistance doesn't look very friendly um but ultimately it is a blessing and then there are dark forces there are dark forces and I'm not talking about things poetically I'm talking about things abstractly there these are consciousnesses they are

54:56 · Unknown · Planetary forces and dark intelligences

intelligences that are I don't want to say disembodied because they're linked to particular things that exist here in physicality but they're not exclusive to them everything that exists in this realm is merely a special example of this essential um dark force, you know, uh for lack of a better term, completely. Um I'm trying to to to meet any potential audience on common ground here. Not everybody's going to know about the archons and stuff like that. uh but um and ultimately it is these intelligences uh

55:35 · Unknown · Serving dark forces through self-interest

I believe that that everyone that is self-interested and disinterested um apathetic to the plight of other people and to um the higher realities. I think every person in the world uh that is that way ultimately serves those dark forces, those dark archonic forces. Um do I think that it's completely dual on all levels? Absolutely not. I know on the other side of the veil, so to speak, it's it's all one. How far on the other side of the veil is a different story. Um I don't know or I don't remember. But

56:19 · Unknown · Materiality, action, and spiritual consequence

uh you know the the thing is um there's obviously some ultimate thing that has to culminate here and I am too small a cog and too vast a machine for my limited you know perception as I am right now this minute uh to be able to say with any certainty that I know what that end goal is. But I do know that this is Malca Vasiah. This is the world of action, the realm of making. And um you know there is a consequence and a beneficence uh to the soul in having to crawl its way out of the mire of materiality. My

57:10 · Unknown · Materiality, action, and spiritual consequence

hope, my guess is that it will never want to do this again. [Music]