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Relevant chapter: Golden Dawn System & Color Correspondences
of the the RR at AC, the Russia, the uh, the inner order of the Golden Dawn. You're working color magic. That's exactly that's all you're doing really until you take like you know until you learn about the um the actual Neil fight hall and how to conduct a ritual on the astral. Uh but we don't just do astral initiations by the way. So don't don't think that's what I'm talking about. Uh but there there are like three or four different levels on which any given
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Relevant chapter: Blavatsky, Theosophy & Misconceptions
would you would you consider it any along any like Luciferian lines or or was she just kind of use utilizing that word in that term in the sense of like light and illumination. Like some people will some people talk about uh and draw um correlations with this sort of esoteric illumination of Lucifer leading to the inspiration of like the United Nations with Levatsky. And there's like this perspective that theosophy sought like a universal world initiation of sorts and would restore like ritualis
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Relevant chapter: Evaluating orders by spirit and intent
doing why are you dressed as Egyptians why are there women here it would have been like we don't know what you're doing, >> you know, like what someone please explain, you know, so they didn't meet in Masonic holes. >> And there are differences between Masonic Racristian bodies and non-Masonic Rosian bodies or is there some >> there for everything that exists Masonically, somebody somewhere got an initiation, either drew up a charter or found somebody who would draw one up for
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 18:53
Relevant chapter: The hierophant as a channel of initiation
hieropphant, unless you're doing that, meeting you should be a species of initiation, listening to you speak, reading something you wrote, looking at a piece of your art. If you're a true, if you're a hierofant in word and in word and deed, you should be a species of alchemical initiation. Um I think some people are born with more of that field as you put it and I think that it's it's definitely possible to to train it you know um so that you have a broader signal for the reach.
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Relevant chapter: The Circuit of Force and magical practice
uh uh essays about this thing called the circuit of force. And we can go into this because this is a three-hour conversation at minimum. We can go into this in another spot, but Gareth Knight collected all these works and published them with his, I think, appendices and his introduction, and he entitled it the circuit of force for occultists within the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn. hermetic cabalistic initiation. This is not only a must-read but if you read it enough and if you practice what
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 12:47
Relevant chapter: Elemental grades and advancements
the Earth tablet there. >> What What is an advancement? >> So, you're only initiated as a Neoight. you're then advanced um actually technically you're initiated as a as a neoight and then you're also initiated as a salad and then the rest of them are advancements which means you're moving forward you're moving on but there's there's a different connotation to the word initiation than there is uh to advancement. So each grade is not an initiation. Most of the grades are advancements.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 13:22
Relevant chapter: Elemental grades and advancements
Then you are initiated into the the inner order in the 56. That's also an initiation. Uh but then the rest of the stuff are advancements. That's what we call them. So you know you you as you go through the elemental grades more tablets are open for you. You're introduced to them in turn. The first thing that you see they're not present in the Neoi hall. They're there but they're veiled. they're covered. You can't see them. >> And then you go into your your zelot
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Relevant chapter: Why purification matters in ritual
>> implements yeah any of that >> okay um So I guess I'll start with what? Purification first. >> Yeah, sure. >> So that's obviously a prerequisite. Sinon means you cannot do without um of all types of uh magic and particularly initiation. Um this I mean this could be this question alone could be its own episode. uh it's of central importance and it's one of the first things that you learn to do because it's one of the first things that you that you have to do. It's one
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 17:47
Relevant chapter: Purification and consecration as ongoing practice
it was, you know, just dreaming or some or astral travel or whatever it was. And then I'm going in and I'm starting my day in the early early morning. The first things that are coming out of my mouth are prayers, inflaming myself, consecrating, dedicating myself, rededicating. And you that is the trajectory of initiation is to reurify and reconsecrate over and over and over. It doesn't end. Mhm. >> And then so when you're talking about like consecration, so is like something like holy water. I
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Relevant chapter: speculating and contemplating and and there that there wasn't any
speculating and contemplating and and there that there wasn't any kind of oral tradition. Um as a matter of fact most ancient traditions you know uh particularly spiritual or initiatic which indeed you know uh studying religions can be right. Um in order to get into a religion there's usually typically initiations like circumcision, baptism uh you know the um certain rights that you have to perform. But there's nothing that suggests to me that it was as firmly delineated and specifically Judeaic as is claimed. As a
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Relevant chapter: Initiation and accelerating personal transformation
um for how we should live, what is [music] good. And the the final piece here is that for me, initiation in a true hermetic ultimately theoric current is what catalyzed all these realizations and changes for me. And I think for it's that is the way that other people I think eventually are going to have to go um because it expedites karma. If we want to do this [expletive] quick, you get on the path of initiation. But you don't do it, you know, you don't just jump on like very light-hearted or, you know, without
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 39:55
Relevant chapter: Initiation and accelerating personal transformation
thinking about it deeply and making sure that it's your life path. But to me, I see it happening more and more and more and there's all these different species of initiations happening outside of orders and just in the public sphere. But in [music] the initiation of the hermetic order of the golden dawn, just on a final note, you undergo the alchemical outer order which is a salv coagula. You are oified, taken apart. You examine the constituent elements of your psyche, put them back together
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 45:21
Relevant chapter: Initiation as a slow unfolding
for. That's what my work is there for. It's a species of initiation. Okay? Um but it has to be slow, controlled. You have to not because of the nature of the information, but because of the nature of us. Like we are these fragile little [expletive] eggshells that are just, you know, we're so conditioned to like these tiny tiny micro environments now that we live in. Um, you know, these little microbubbles that I can't just come along and burst it. That's impossible because you're
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 45:53
Relevant chapter: Initiation as a slow unfolding
like you're armed at every gate. Now, the smaller your world gets, the more on the defense you constantly are. Okay? That's that's what an animal is, you know. Um, so what we have to reorient our perspectives towards is rectification of the interior. And through these these impulses that this new generation came into incarnation with came into this you know the field of battle quote unquote of materiality. We came in with these idealistic you know renovating tendencies. But what's happening is we can no longer
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 4:37
Relevant chapter: Martinism’s relationship to Martinezism
um in a similar similar kind of that's an analogy obviously they're not religions but um and they were they operate within a predominantly Christian millu rather than uh Hebraic as far as one can. So uh Louis cla de San Martin he uh he essentially his way was a way of mystic Christian contemplation that was very uh heartfocused um and he distinguished between certain phases of initiation or pre-initiation and um the terms he used were uh sort of I guess the men of error. They dwell in the forest of error. Um kind of
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 7:08
Relevant chapter: Initiation, invitation, and Martinist lineages
Martine de Pasquali. >> Yeah. And so I wonder is it true that traditionally entrance to the true Martinist order is by way of invitation. Um I don't know to be honest with you. Uh it makes sense that that would be the case. So I I can't speak as to tradition. I can say that um I was invited. I had no idea what Martinism was. Um, I've, you know, I've been invited into every esoteric organization I have ever joined. I have never once, never once in my life gone looking for it, not
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 7:51
Relevant chapter: Initiation, invitation, and Martinist lineages
even with masonry. I avoided masonry like the flu. Like I I um because I to me it didn't have the male female balance. Now I understand it for what it is. But um I was definitely invited into what was the Martinist Order of Unknown Philosophers until recently. We had a schism. And we are now as as we are want to do in Martin. Martinism is a history of schisms. There are there are there are as many Martinist orders as there are stars in the night sky. So um but we once again have schismed. I think it can
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 8:27
Relevant chapter: Initiation, invitation, and Martinist lineages
be a very healthy thing. And we're the Martinist Order of America. And I'm very proud to be with that group of men because they're some of the finest initiates and philosophers that uh just good men, you know, good men. That's who you want to be around >> for sure. And so, you know, there are >> men of desire. >> What was that? >> Men of desire. >> Yes. So, there are some texts, some foundational texts that I think are maybe associated largely with Martinism.
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 10:55
Relevant chapter: Jacob Boehme, Christian esotericism, and the Golden Dawn
order, all your admission badges are crosses. And uh you know, all that stuff figuring into this very esoteric mystical Christian conception uh really is the heart of esotericism. An attempt to understand the esoteric meanings, the symbolism of the Christ within. >> I mean, the aurora is what, right? The dawn. That's what that word means. the golden dawn, right? So, uh it's there it's all talking about the same thing, the light of the golden day of uh that kind of cristic initiation, the
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 41:27
Relevant chapter: Schisms, secrecy, and politics in Martinism
circles of today Henry Deug deluj uh wrote a number of books of which doctrines de societies secretes published in 1852 is probably the most wellknown. Papus exchanged initiations with Chab Chabasu. The reason being >> Chabaso. Yeah. >> Okay. The reason being an uncertainty about one of the initiated in the lineage of Papus. It was unknown who initiated Henry de Deluj. This statement was made by how do you say that again? Cha Chaba Chabasu. >> Chabaso. >> Chabaso himself. And
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:25:18
Relevant chapter: Dangers of advanced Elus-Cohen practices
essentially exercising uh demonic entities from uh the sphere of the earth really and so you want to jump into that after you like you know you went from buying crystals >> can't even handle some of my dreams that I have right now >> that's that's what I'm saying I mean like like even the initiations themselves are divine to or are designed to stir things up within you you will be well I mean take the doctrine the hermetic doctrine of the m microcosm in the macrocosm,
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:25:54
Relevant chapter: Dangers of advanced Elus-Cohen practices
right? Whatever's in here is out there and vice versa. If I'm calling to the four dark, let's say clific entities, if I am calling inverse entities into um my my triangle of art or my my magical oratory, what do you think is going to happen in the microcosm? It's going to have the there's going to be a resonance. that's going to call forth the dark [ __ ] in you. And if you're not prepared by several stages of purification of initiation, but I don't mean Christian moralizing, you know,
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:28:40
Relevant chapter: Dangers of advanced Elus-Cohen practices
have to bind it. That's a protocol. That's that's a that's something I have to follow. Um so if you don't have all these different trainings by way of initiation, how are you going to do any? It's going to it's going to overtake you. You will you will drown in the darkness because you're not only having to deal with the the darkened sphere of the material that is just happening as happening as a consequence of the times in which we live. But now you're calling forth.
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 13:17
Relevant chapter: Architecture, harmony, and sacred geometry
and they these these secrets and and these these you know uh trade adapts are descended let's say from these these ancient trade guilds. They kind of make their way through and the thing is like trade guilds were important. trade guilds did have initiations, you know, because you had to swear that you would keep these trade secrets. You can't you can't just have anybody a claiming to be right. Right. You when you become like a master builder, I mean, you have a totally different lifestyle. You you know, you're you're
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